Flag Burning
In the court case, Texas v. Johnson the Supreme Court declared flag burning to be legal. Now the decision has come under heavy assault from the current administration. What do you think? Should people be allowed to burn the American Flag, if its their own proprety and if its to express something, or do you think that flag burning should be outlawed.
Tristan said,
October 16, 2006 at 12:33 pm
I think yes, people should be allowed to burn our flag. I, personally, am against it. However, who am I to say otherwise?
As long as the flag is their property, I think someone should be allowed to burn our flag.
Dan said,
October 17, 2006 at 11:15 am
i think that people should certainly be able to burn the flag. for one thing, its free speech, which is protected, and second, its just a cloth on a stick! i mean come on, why does a certain symbol deserve so much attention and protection! if you ask me, its kinda silly.
Ezra said,
October 17, 2006 at 12:21 pm
not that I think its wrong, but the reason other people dont like it is beacause it is like amearica to them not just a piece of cloth on a stick.
Max said,
October 17, 2006 at 12:21 pm
I agree with you Dan, but the american flag is a symbol for the United States of America. It stands for freedom just like religous symbols stand for whatever that religion believes in. It makes sense for people to be outraged at people burning the flag, remember how people reacted to a comic with the Prophet Muhammed in it. It’s good people can burn the flag if they want to, but it’s not just cloth on a stick.
JEnni said,
October 17, 2006 at 12:23 pm
i think that the burning of the flag should only be able to be burned if it touches the ground or if you hate america with a passion i dout that someone hates america that much and one place that they can but shouldn’t is in a graveyard
Matt said,
October 17, 2006 at 12:29 pm
I believe burning the American flag is wrong. I think no one should burn the flag, just to show a little respect for your country and the people who may be offended. Unfortunately, it is an act of free speech and is protected under the First Amendment. I defnitely do not encourage it, but anyone and everyone has the right. But please, ask yourself two things before you go torch the flag. First, if you dislike this country, or some of its laws, why are you here? Second, is there anything near you with the label: “caution, highly flammable”?
Emma said,
October 17, 2006 at 2:17 pm
Nice Matt.
I look at it this way. If America is offended when a symbol, that has been mass produced and sold in billions of stores, and more are being made every day, and they are making prophet from your “Patriotism,” then it’s pretty sad.
If you buy it, then you can do what ever you want with it. You can burn it, or frame it, what ever your heart desires. No one has the right to keep you from expressing yourself.
Burn away, my kitties.
york8 said,
October 17, 2006 at 9:01 pm
Isaac
tristain said
on Oct 16th 2006 at 12:33 pm
“I think yes, people should be allowed to burn our flag. I, personally, am against it. However, who am I to say otherwise?
As long as the flag is their property, I think someone should be allowed to burn our flag.”
I think that what he is saying is complete and total trash! He first says that he thinks that flag burning is okay, than says that he is against it. Get your thoughts straight!
I personally think that burning of an american flag is perfectly okay aslong as its your own flag and solong as it won’t start a riot.
Thao said,
October 18, 2006 at 8:53 am
I agree with Max what he said.
Max said,
October 18, 2006 at 9:08 am
Jenni, what do you mean the flag must be touching the ground? Also people do hate America enough to burn the flag, but it’s not always about hating America. Some people hate what America stands for and are the destroying it as a symbol.
york8 said,
October 18, 2006 at 9:50 am
What I meant, Isaac it that I don’t think it’s good to burn the flag, but if I see someone burning it, I won’t stop them.
-Tristan
Thao said,
October 18, 2006 at 9:54 am
I agree with tristain because if I seeing someone burning the american flag i won’t stop them too
Emma said,
October 18, 2006 at 9:55 am
Yeah, like Max said, Jenni, some people really do hate America.
Marlowe said,
October 18, 2006 at 12:12 pm
I say, light ‘em up. Its a symbol! And sure its all patriotic and stuff, but really! America has destroyed and desecrated symbols for all time. So why should we care about this one symbol after we ourselves break others? So let it burn, and wave the burning flag of ‘freedom’
york8 said,
October 18, 2006 at 1:03 pm
If you wave a burning flag, sparks will come out and catch fire on stuff, and you’ll cause a fire. I don’t advise waving burning things.:)
-Tristan
york8 said,
October 19, 2006 at 9:55 am
That might be the worst, most idiotic comment I have ever read.
~Marlowe
Vicky said,
October 19, 2006 at 10:50 am
Lifes way to short to be argueing about a stupid flag.. even if it were a law. wat r they gonna do hypnotize them or send them to jail. big deal its not gonna change anything. and its deffinately not going to change their believes..
-Vicki :]
amin said,
October 19, 2006 at 10:53 am
i think you should, able to burn the flag becaused you are in your own property and your not hearting anyone and your not burning anthing that. why i thing you should able to burn the flag.
york8 said,
October 19, 2006 at 11:11 am
Now, Marlowe. Calm down. I was merly commenting on your preachy message. However, I agree that burning the flag is okay.
-Tristan
patrick said,
October 19, 2006 at 11:18 am
Flag burning is freedom of speach but if peoole hate America enough to burn the flag they should move to another country.
Dani said,
October 19, 2006 at 11:23 am
gah well i think that you CAN be for both sides i am, and yes it seems hypocritical but i can help what i think
and also what i think is that we need to be a little less insulting
just a thought
Dan said,
October 19, 2006 at 1:11 pm
Its kinda silly, we burn other symbols and items of worship, but when it concerns us, then all of a sudden it’s NO DON’T BURN THAT! IT’S A NATIONAL SYMBOL! thats just bizzare
york8 said,
October 19, 2006 at 1:15 pm
Very true. Plus its not that flag-burners hate america, no thats something a brain-washed media junkie might say, its that they are protesting the current administration and its dicisions.
~Marlowe
nick said,
October 19, 2006 at 1:17 pm
i hate it people could even think of burning the flag…but Dan is right it is just a piece of cloth on a stick…. But what does that piece of cloth on a stick represent??? give up it represents America…freedom…rights…. and most importantly it represents all that live in America down to the poorest person. So go ahead burn the flag BUT KEEP THIS IN MIND IF YOU BURN THE FLAG YOU SHOULD GO AHEAD AND SPIT ON EVERY ONE THAT LIVES IN AMERICA TO CAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOUR DOING just with out the spiting part
york8 said,
October 19, 2006 at 1:19 pm
Whahahahah! Thank you Nick! You’re the perfect example of someone who has been media-brainwashed! Plus you contradiced yourself!
~Marlowe
Max said,
October 19, 2006 at 1:26 pm
I think that flag burning should not be allowed, and should be protected because
any patriotic or religious smybol represents who you are where you are from
and also it is violating other peoples beliefs who decides what we protect and when!!!
york8 said,
October 19, 2006 at 1:28 pm
ok then, so was it alright to destroy lslamic mosques in Afganistan and Iraq?
~Marlowe
nick said,
October 19, 2006 at 1:31 pm
oh yeah i forgot to add if you burn the flag you should leave this country because you clearly hate America and every one in it so much you chose to difile what what represents America and all Americans you should move and get away from such a horible place but i also forgot that your to scaird that you will lose your rights and your meals that you love so much you won’t leave the country that you hate so much in fear of loseing your meals while you live in your moms basement
Fazal said,
October 19, 2006 at 1:32 pm
I believe burning the American flag is wrong and should be protected because the flag represents our democracy, freedom and liberty. And I think that other religious symbols should be also protected as well because it show each countries beliefs and if we burned like the Koran it wouldn’t mean much to Americans, but would mean al lot to other people. Just as we believe in the American flag. Also if we start burning other religious symbols like the Bible, the Star of David, or the Koran it would start bringing violence or will bring chaos all over the world!!!!
Elizabeth said,
October 19, 2006 at 6:00 pm
I agree with Nick. The flag represents America. And if you burn it you CLEARLY hate America. People in this country take everything for granted. Yes we do have Freedom of Speech/Expression and what do people do with that Freedom they go and burn the American flag. People need to learn how to respect their country. The flag stands for everything that this country has stood for over the past 230 years. Think about it the stripes stand for the 13 original colonies and the stars represnt the 50 states. If you burn the flag you burn all those things.
pete said,
October 20, 2006 at 9:55 am
I believe that flag burning should be illegal and should not be protected by freedom of speech. The only time anyone should ever burn the flag is when the flag is dropped to the ground, by accident! The U.S flag is a piec of america and should not be destroyed as a result of freedom of speech. Another thing is, that when you burn the flag it is not talking it is burning which is not speech and you should not be aloud to do it.
Dani said,
October 20, 2006 at 10:09 am
nick but what if you cant leave i mean we all have the right to protest and free speach
nick there are probably hundreds of flags being burned a day there are like 4335495742903 made a day and sold in those ugly little tourist shops
york8 said,
October 20, 2006 at 10:12 am
Marlowe, you need to stop insulting people! It’s okay if you don’t like Nick’s comment, but you don’t need to insult him to tell him that. I can’t tell if you feel strongly on this subject, or if you just want to be mean. Calm down, my friend. :I
-Tristan
Dani said,
October 20, 2006 at 10:13 am
elizabeth you are buring a flag not america, if it was so terrible to do that wouldnt you think that it would be iilegal?
if i drew a picture if the flag or america and burned it then would ibe desroying america
there are worst things happening in ameirca like bush, the war, jessica and nicks split, {jk jk}
Dani said,
October 20, 2006 at 10:14 am
true tristan
york8 said,
October 20, 2006 at 10:29 am
For the record, its only an insault if you take it badly,
. Plus he forgave me.
~Marlowe
Elizabeth said,
October 20, 2006 at 11:26 am
Good point Dani
Barb said,
October 20, 2006 at 5:54 pm
I personally try to respect the American flag because I love our country. I can see how some people would want to burn it, so I don’t have much of a problem with people expressing that. Even if someone does take burning the flag as an insult,
GUESS WHAT? THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MEANIES AND DISRESPECTFUL PEOPLE, everywhere you go.
I think people should be able to shake the flag burning off. As long as they dont hurt people physically, we should be able to live with it.
bill johnson said,
October 21, 2006 at 2:19 pm
Marlow, your opinoins are wrong and well… stupid.
John said,
October 21, 2006 at 2:23 pm
I think flag buring is wrong X999999999 like nick said if burn the flag from hatred then LEAVE BECUASE YOU DON’T DESERVE TO BE HERE
Tom Foley said,
October 21, 2006 at 2:29 pm
I agree with John, if you dislike this a country enough to think that burning the flag is ok, then why are you still here(in america).
John said,
October 22, 2006 at 1:33 pm
Dan you said we burn symbols all the time please give and example before you just say something please
John said,
October 22, 2006 at 6:01 pm
MARLOWE I THINK your the brainwashed one.
Elizabeth said,
October 22, 2006 at 6:14 pm
Marlowe, which media source is brain washing in favor of the President? It is certainly not mainstream media.
york8 said,
October 23, 2006 at 8:49 am
It’s true, Marlowe. 60% of news sources are liberally biased.
-Tristan
John said,
October 23, 2006 at 11:13 am
hey Marlowe ust cuase nick has a difrent opion then you dosen’t mean he’s brianwashed
John said,
October 23, 2006 at 11:14 am
hey Marlowe just cuase nick has a difrent opion then you dosen’t mean he’s brianwashed you should argue with him instead of calling him brainwashed
Marlowe said,
October 23, 2006 at 12:17 pm
John, aside from calling my opinons and arguments stupied and misspelling, I’m still waiting for you to pose a good argument. As for Nick, his opinions are the ones cirulated by the media and the current adminastration. I name what I see.
Elizabeth said,
October 23, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Marlowe, you spelt stupid wrong so I would not be talking about John misspelling.
John said,
October 23, 2006 at 1:53 pm
first of all marlowe I have not once said your opions are stupid but to nick they might not be media cirulated. So you shouldn’t be calling him the brainwashed take a look at your self and the way your talking to people with a diffrent opion
york8 said,
October 23, 2006 at 1:57 pm
Its ‘yourself’, there should be a period or comma after brainwashed. Not to mention the lack of punctuation and capitalization. Aside from the grammatical assault on the English language: I read the wrong comment, my bad, you didnt call my comments stupid. And yes, I’m sure I’m totally brainwashed for posing my own thoeries an opinions.
~Marlowe
John said,
October 23, 2006 at 4:40 pm
No thats not what i said is (thanks for insalting me) I’m not saying your opinions are brainwashed you shouldn’t call nick brainwashed just becuase you don’t agree with him,and I’m sorry I don’t read the Dictionary before I go to bed
york8 said,
October 24, 2006 at 8:55 am
Marlowe says:
I say, light ‘em up. Its a symbol! And sure its all patriotic and stuff, but really! America has destroyed and desecrated symbols for all time. So why should we care about this one symbol after we ourselves break others? So let it burn, and wave the burning flag of ‘freedom’
Marlowe–I totally agree with you. This is how America runs, if you feel the need to burn a flag and for good reason do it. As for the rest of you, I’ll leave the country once you figure out what freedom means,oh wait that will be never!
Bill says:
Marlow, your opinoins are wrong and well… stupid.
Yeah bill about that-first lets try to spell MARLOWE right and second lets not call ideas stupid–Marlowes comments are the most patrotic comments on this blog becasue they are the true ones. Nothing fancy smancy and he knows the true meaning of freedom unlike the rest of you.
Andrew
John said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:04 am
Andrew you should learn to spell. His comment are anything but PATROTIC!
york8 said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:08 am
Thank you Andrew! And my comments ARE patriotic. I want the best for america!I want it to be truely free! I want us to be a true free government, not just a dictatorship goverened by money, fear and an anarcic symbol!
~Marlowe
york8 said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:11 am
Marlowe is right
and fine i will learn how to spell
but Marlowe actually wants something for America and is not just posting to post
Andrew
Marlowe said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:18 am
Thanks Andrew.
Emma said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:35 am
Alright guys. I am thrilled that we are now all obsessed with spelling but please, this is a blog not an english class. What exactly is the definition of “Patriotic” any ways? Loving America? Supporting it? How can we really tell what is patriotic and what’s not?
patriotic |ˌpātrēˈätik| adjective having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one’s country :
Is that for everything in the country, I wonder…
If you’re patriotic, do you have to support everything?
york8 said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:36 am
Dictionary
patriotic |ˌpātrēˈätik| adjective having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one’s country : the wave of relief and patriotic euphoria that followed the president’s cease-fire declaration. DERIVATIVES patriotically |-(ə)lē| adverb ORIGIN mid 17th cent.: via late Latin from Greek patriōtikos ‘relating to a fellow countryman’ (see patriot ).
My one:
Patriotic: Caring for a country, not its leaders or its symbols, but for the well being of a Country as a whole.
york8 said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:47 am
Good point Emma. Patriotic can’t mean everything because nobody agree’s with everything. Well that’s my view at least
Andrew
John said,
October 24, 2006 at 10:45 am
Marlowe how are WE a dictatorship?????? I personally DO not I repeat DO not think your comments are patriotic
Elizabeth said,
October 24, 2006 at 11:10 am
Marlowe don’t we all want whats best for America?
John said,
October 24, 2006 at 11:18 am
I think whats best for America is that we all as a country unite and support our troops overseas and well every where and we need to have wal mart stop sending jobs over seas
york8 said,
October 24, 2006 at 11:27 am
John said,
October 24, 2006 at 10:45 am · Edit
Marlowe how are WE a dictatorship?????? I personally DO not I repeat DO not think your comments are patriotic
How much power do you think we have? Everything is deiced by Bush. The Supreme Court is full of his cronies, and the Senate and the House are that same. Open your eyes.
Elizabeth said,
October 24, 2006 at 11:10 am · Edit
Marlowe don’t we all want whats best for America?
Sometimes I wonder….
John said,
October 24, 2006 at 11:18 am · Edit
I think whats best for America is that we all as a country unite and support our troops overseas and well every where and we need to have wal mart stop sending jobs over seas
I agree witht the jobs, but our troops shouldent be there in the first place.
~Marlowe
Myles said,
October 24, 2006 at 11:53 am
Marlowe, why shouldn’t our troops be overseas? If you can give a single good reason why we should pull out, i will give you ten dollars. If someone blew up the tallest building in your country, what would you do?
Andrew said,
October 24, 2006 at 12:39 pm
LAY OFF! Marlowe has very good reasons to say what he says you guys are a dictatorship!!
Myles, We need to take our troops out because our work is done. Nobody needs us there anymore. They just need to not be so personal
Emma said,
October 24, 2006 at 12:42 pm
I want ten dollars!!!
One good reason: It wasn’t the tallest in the country anyways. Yes, there were many deaths in the attack. But sending our troops oversees is killing even more! Now not onle are hundreds dead, but thousands. It makes no sense. Again, who’s fault is it that the other countries are pissed? hmmm?
Elizabeth said,
October 24, 2006 at 12:47 pm
Andrew said,
October 24, 2006 at 12:39 pm
LAY OFF! Marlowe has very good reasons to say what he says you guys are a dictatorship!!
Myles, We need to take our troops out because our work is done. Nobody needs us there anymore. They just need to not be so personal
me:
Andrew, who is “you guys” when you were talking about a dictatorship?
Andrew said,
October 24, 2006 at 12:57 pm
Elizabeth–i was talking about all the people who ar etelling marlowe that he is brainwashed and his ideas are stupid.
Max said,
October 24, 2006 at 1:04 pm
Andrew that was really confusing. First you said you agree with Marlowe, then you called his opinions wrong and stupid and then you said he has the most patriotic comments on the blog and that no one else knows what freedom means. do you agree with him or not?
Elizabeth said,
October 24, 2006 at 1:04 pm
Andrew, Marlowe is calling people brainwashed.
Dani said,
October 24, 2006 at 1:06 pm
well he is telling us that and we are all just being hypocrites now we are losing the meaning of this blog now… ok now marlowe just because some people get their facts from the media doesnt mean that they are brainwashed, and i personally think that if you burn the flag that you are just expressing yourer self and what if we cant do andything about living in america?
you gotta look into that too.
Barb said,
October 24, 2006 at 2:21 pm
yeah, all of the media can’t be brainwashed crap. I mean, it’s extremely hard to form an opinion without it. I bet that people who diss the media got the idea in some way FROM the media. And guys, we’re losing the meaning of this blog, in some ways like Dani said.
Emma said,
October 24, 2006 at 2:24 pm
I think… the media is pretty biased. But, if we are smart enough to know what our opinion is and see what’s wrong with it, then it’s fine. But most people don’t. Some people do agree with the media stuff, which is fine too. We all have the freedom to believe as we wish. Without the mindless we cannot find the knowledgeable, yes?
Andrew said,
October 24, 2006 at 8:26 pm
Max Said
Andrew that was really confusing. First you said you agree with Marlowe, then you called his opinions wrong and stupid and then you said he has the most patriotic comments on the blog and that no one else knows what freedom means. do you agree with him or not?
I didn’t contridict my self–i just simply posted what other people said just read a little colser
Andrew said,
October 24, 2006 at 8:29 pm
Elizabeth–you are right and I know htat–i don’t nesacrly agree wiht that aspect but i understand what he is saying
he is saing that the media is biased and people are hypocrites.
They aren’t nesacrly brainwashed
Sheldon said,
October 24, 2006 at 8:43 pm
I agree.
Elizabeth said,
October 24, 2006 at 8:50 pm
Andrew but you called the people who called Marlowe brainwashed were a dictatorship so does that mean Marlowe is a dictator…
Sheldon said,
October 24, 2006 at 8:53 pm
I know this was not directed to me but, I pesonally don’t think so.
Elizabeth said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:09 pm
Sheldon what are you talking about?
Sheldon said,
October 24, 2006 at 10:01 pm
You asked Andrew if the people were calling Marlowe brainwashed and I said(even though that it was not said to me) I did not think so!
Sheldon said,
October 24, 2006 at 10:01 pm
I ment a dictator.
york8 said,
October 25, 2006 at 8:42 am
Elizabeth said,
October 24, 2006 at 8:50 pm
Andrew but you called the people who called Marlowe brainwashed were a dictatorship so does that mean Marlowe is a dictator…”
Yes I am.
~Marlowe
nick said,
October 25, 2006 at 8:44 am
marlowe my opinions are my own not induced by the media i think that way because i want to not be cause i was brainwashed by the media
John said,
October 25, 2006 at 8:45 am
What does a dictator have to do with Flag burning Marlowe??
york8 said,
October 25, 2006 at 8:45 am
No idea, Elizibeth just wondered if I was one.
~Marlowe
John said,
October 25, 2006 at 8:47 am
No she was responding to Andrew comment.
york8 said,
October 25, 2006 at 8:48 am
John theres no reason to argue.
~Marlowe
John said,
October 25, 2006 at 8:53 am
I’m not I’m just stating a fact.
york8 said,
October 25, 2006 at 8:54 am
And so it continues….
~Marlowe
John said,
October 25, 2006 at 8:56 am
four word comment wow.
Jordan said,
October 25, 2006 at 9:04 am
I think that flag burning should not be legal. One reason is that it is our national symbol. It represents our freedom, our fallen soldiers, and our country. When you burn the flag it is sooooo disrespectful. It is like a slap in the face for for all the veterens that faught for our freedom. If you hate america so much that you want to burn the flag why don’t you move. If you really feel the need to burn the flag go to the boarder of Mexico or Canada and do it, don’t do it in our country!
Cong said,
October 25, 2006 at 9:13 am
Forget about the arguing and talk about the flag burning jeez..
I personally don’t care about the flag burning it’s the freedom of speech
if some person decided to burn the flag on their property which may make people
angry and didn’t hit some one with it. then it’s fine by me. it’s freedom
Matt said,
October 25, 2006 at 9:16 am
John, your comment was 4 words also….
If somebody is injured due to the flag being burned, there could be a problem. But if no one is injured, it is only emotions that are affected. Expressing your free speech and making people mad should not be illegal.
york8 said,
October 25, 2006 at 9:22 am
Well we are arguing about our views. And yes Marlowe is a dictator but that is not bad.
Andrew
Travis said,
October 25, 2006 at 9:58 am
true , verry true
Andrew said,
October 25, 2006 at 9:59 am
Well in this case it’s not bad, Marlowe isn’t killing people he is just simply taking charge. So in this case it’s not bad.
Travis said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:00 am
I dont really think the word DICTATOR
Dani said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:00 am
ok BACK to flag burning i agree with what most of the people here are saying exept you people who are reeeeally off topic. i thnk that we should be able to do what we want with our own property, yet i think it is somewhat dissrespectful.
it doesnt nessicerally mean you hate america and your spitting on it{which would take a lot of spit} like that guy, greg johnnson he didnt hate america he just didnt agree with rr and his polcies
i cant spell
=[
Andrew said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:02 am
Don’t worry about spelling Dani (unless it’s a name) It’s not english class. And you’re right-it would take a lot of spit
Travis said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:02 am
No Dictators!!!!!
Dani said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:03 am
ok travis!
FFFLLAAAGG BUUURRRINNNINNNGGGG
does anyone have anything to say about what they tthink about flag burning????
Travis said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:04 am
I’m all-for flag burning.
It can’t sybolize an entire country!!
Max said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:04 am
I don’t really think it is disrespectful, if you don’t agree with the current policies, not hate the country, it’s ok. I don’t really get how it helps you prove your point about what’s going on in the country, but it’s up to you.
Dani said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:06 am
true but it does hiold alot of meaning
what about those who died to protect its meaning?
i think that if you are gonna go out and burn a flag, please dont do it around people who came/are coming back from iraq……..do it in front of some ducks.
mmm ducks
Dani said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:07 am
true but travis, it does symbolize our country
Max said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:07 am
yeah there are times when it can be disrepectful, like the time Dani said, but most times it’s ok.
Thao said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:08 am
I agree with Dani
Dani said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:11 am
ok who is york8 and yes they need to stop quarreling but stop with the whole spelling thing
and york8 true about marlowe and bush
sorry marlowe
Andrew said,
October 25, 2006 at 10:11 am
Tristan—–This blog is for what John and Marlowe are doing–fighting for what they believe in!.
Travis said,
October 25, 2006 at 12:01 pm
I don’t care if it does, it shouldn’t, Dani.
A peice of cloth can’t rep. all the freedoms of america.
Travis said,
October 25, 2006 at 12:04 pm
I won’t salute the fla……….
see saluting the flag.
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 12:05 pm
WHY NOT?… PLEASE ELABORATE.
Angela said,
October 25, 2006 at 12:19 pm
I think if people want to burn the flag the should, If its a wrong reason why then they should’nt. They need to have a good reason why they want to burn the flag, If its a good reason then let them burn the flag.
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 12:23 pm
Ok, I guess I understand what you are saying.
Dani said,
October 25, 2006 at 12:49 pm
but travis it does!
what, does it only represent 2 freedoms, or 1?
and john and marlowe are just arguing about, yes what they belive in but it is getting in the way of the blog, which makes it suckyish
Andrew said,
October 25, 2006 at 12:54 pm
The flag represents America-that’s why it is ok ot burn it. If you feel the need to burn the flag and don’t casue a riot then it is totally fine. WEll nad of coursee if it is your property
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 12:59 pm
What?
Travis said,
October 25, 2006 at 1:13 pm
Dani I like the word suckyish as much as the next guy.
A color can’t rep. a freedom, what people do for that freedom are the things I have hopes for not colors!
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 1:16 pm
Could you please answer my question?
MiiSz. ViCKii said,
October 25, 2006 at 1:16 pm
i SAY WE ALL JUST G0 CRAZY AND D0 WHAT WE WANT
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 1:18 pm
?
Lily said,
October 25, 2006 at 1:22 pm
I believe that burning the American flag is wrong but should not be against the law. Everyone should be allowed freedom of speech and if this is the way that they are deciding to do it and express their opinions then they should be allowed. The only way that burning the American flag should not be allowed is if it is going to start a riot and people are going to get hurt but other then that it should not be against the law since this is a way that people are expressing their opinions.
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 5:51 pm
MARLOWE!!!
I CANT BELIEVE YOU FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT BURNING THE FLAG!!!
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 6:00 pm
AND TRISTON!!!
YOU OF ALL PEOPLE… TO AGREE WITH HIM… UURRRRRG!!!
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Sorry if i’m being out of line. BUT COME ON!!!
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 6:25 pm
I THINK FLAG BURNING IS WRONG BECAUSE THAT YOU WOULD BE BURNING ONE OF THE THINGS THE SOLDIERS ARE FIGHTING FOR! AND TO ME IT JUST DOESN’T SEEM RIGHT!!!
Andrew said,
October 26, 2006 at 8:31 am
Sheldon—– You can’t type in all caps. It is extremely annoying.
I was said that you cna burn the flag as long as you don’t start a riot and it is your property. That answer your question Sheldon?
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 8:44 am
ok travis but it isnt just the colors, it what it means
is burning a swastika ok?
how about the bible?
i think the flag should be treated just as any other symbol.
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 8:45 am
i agreed andrew.
Xp
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 8:48 am
sheldon, mr clifford also said that you cant type in all caps so….
John said,
October 26, 2006 at 8:49 am
Whats wrong with caps??
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 8:52 am
mr clifford said thta it is uncorrect grammar
i know i think its kinda stupid but……
*sigh* whatever
john answer my question on the blog
OK?
yay
gah
york8 said,
October 26, 2006 at 8:55 am
Two thangs- (spelled incorrectly on purpose)
1.Sheldon, please stop spelling my name wrong. I sign all of my posts, so all you have to do is look at it to know how to spell it. That, and you’ve known me for 9 years. Come on.
2.Lily, good point! I agree.
-Tristan
John said,
October 26, 2006 at 8:56 am
okey I personally think buring a swasticka is okey.
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 8:58 am
ok but how is the swastika different?
/yeah i know i know/
its a symbol
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:01 am
Dan said,
October 17, 2006 at 11:15 am
i think that people should certainly be able to burn the flag. for one thing, its free speech, which is protected, and second, its just a cloth on a stick! i mean come on, why does a certain symbol deserve so much attention and protection! if you ask me, its kinda silly.
ok i cant belive this but i agree yeah it very important to our contry but it is kinda…”silly” to fret over one flag, how come nobodys freting over the gay flag or anything else?
gah
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:01 am
**country
John said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:13 am
To me the swasticka is a symbol of evil.
Max said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:16 am
But the swasticka’s orginally means peace and it was adopted by the nazi party. If the nazis used the american flag as it’s symbol would you still think about it the same way?
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:18 am
but john the swastika was origanally a symbol of peace in the asia area but hitler flipped it around so we automaticly think hitler.
maybe to some countries whne they see our flag they think evil.
when i see a canadian flag all i can thinkl about is how it isnt even a real country and how disgusting the chineese food there is……
gah
Max said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:18 am
Canada is a real country
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:19 am
no its not, its owned by brittan or something!
so HA!
i wiiiin
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:21 am
ok well if i burned a canadian flag no one would care butif i burned a american flag everyone would flip the hell out!!
i dont get it?
gah!!
Max said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:23 am
Most people wouldn’t really care if we burned a canadian flag in America but if we were in Canada people would probaly care.
york8 said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:29 am
Here’s a bit of useless history:
Originally, the swastika was called the manji, and it could be seen on Buddha’s hands, feet, and stomach. It meant peace, love and enlightenment. Google manji for a good picture. It looked like a swastika, only it was in a sqaure shape instead of a diamond.
It could point either way. Hitler and the Nazis then took it and reversed it and it’s meaning. (Literally and figuratively.)
-Tristan
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:30 am
why not? arent we *cough* “all equal” i mean serously!
no they would be like bonjor!
our food sucks and theyve neven been in a war before!!
!!
I HATE CANADA!!
sorry……
GRRRRRRRRRRRAH!!
John said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:45 am
what was that comment.
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 9:54 am
im sorry i just really hate canada……….it all came out
Max B said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:17 pm
Dani that was really confusing, what do you mean aren’t we all equal? And the bonjour thing is really random
york8 said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:21 pm
http://www.breadonthewaters.com/add/0651_manji_Buddhist_Swastika_clipart.jpg
That’s a link to a picture of a manji.
-Tristan
york8 said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:22 pm
Canada rocks!!!!!!!!!
But ok—–The swastika (sp?) is just as bad as burning a flag. If you go to germany nad go to some persons house that suports the Nazi’s and leave a burning swastika (sp?) on thier doorstep, it’s no dofferent than leaving a burning flag on someones doorstep. So what im saying is that burn your own flag yeah fine, burn your own flag but leave it on someones doorstep-very wrong.
Andrew
John said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:25 pm
Not really becuase swasticka repreasents evil.
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:26 pm
whhatttt?
ok clear that up for me ok?
ok well if you leave a buring anything on someones door step then their house can catch fire and then you will get yelled at for burning and flag and get put in jail for killing someone!
maxie- canadians in quebec speak french and quebec is closest to us so……..
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:27 pm
john no it doesnt
so i could go and draw a swastika on my hand and say oh it menas evil??
it deosnt work that way!!
Max B said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:28 pm
Also there is a difference betwwen burning the flag in your backyard and going up to somone’s house, who you know is very pro-american, and burning a flag.
york8 said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:28 pm
Actully the buring of a falg on someone elses proprety is illegal, so youed go to jail anyway. And a buring flag, probably wouldent get hot enough to burn down a house.
Max B said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:30 pm
yeah i know french is a popular laguage in canada but why did you say they would be like bonjour
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:31 pm
who is york8?????
can we please just use our real names??
fire fire fire
burn burn burn
Elizabeth said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:31 pm
That is very different Andrew. The swasticka represents a group of people who made millions of people suffer.
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:31 pm
because that is hello in french……….
duhh
Andrew said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:32 pm
Ok but you at least have to understand where im coming from. Ok so not leaving it on thier doorstep but doing it right outside their hoouse so you know that they are watching.
york8 said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:32 pm
I think people can burn a swastika. If you can burn one symbol, you can burn the others.
-Tristan
Sheldon said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:49 pm
I KNOW THAT TristAn!
Thao said,
October 26, 2006 at 1:01 pm
I agree with Tristan.
york8 said,
October 26, 2006 at 1:54 pm
I thirdly agreed
~Marlowe
Travis said,
October 26, 2006 at 2:06 pm
exactly my point it shouldn’t be a symbol the symbo should be the people who fight for the freedoms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Barb said,
October 26, 2006 at 2:09 pm
yeah, right on! as i said before THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MEANIES, so why not just try to be respectful yourself and not worry about others?
york8 said,
October 26, 2006 at 2:11 pm
*starts applauding* Wait..werent we talking about lighting up the flag…?
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 2:21 pm
im so confused!!
Sheldon said,
October 26, 2006 at 6:07 pm
I think that if you burn a swastika it is not the same as burnig a flag because the swastika represents something veeeeerrrrrrrryyyyyy evil and sadistic!
york8 said,
October 27, 2006 at 8:24 am
Thank you for agreeing, my friends!
-Tristan
Emma said,
October 27, 2006 at 8:54 am
They are both symbols all the same. To Nazi’s that symbol is sacred, and to some americans the flag is sacred. So why does it make a differrance?
Barb said,
October 27, 2006 at 9:02 am
MEANIES!
Obviously, I hate the swastika, but we can’t point fingers on what’s sacred and not, you know what i mean, guys?
Dani said,
October 27, 2006 at 10:50 am
i know that the swastika does make you thnk if evil, but still it is a symbol and should be treated just as any other!
gah.
John said,
October 27, 2006 at 11:05 am
no it shouldent becuase it is EVIL and even the NAZI’S know that
Andrew said,
October 27, 2006 at 11:06 am
OK I hate the swastika. But it’s not differnet. America has made many people suffer. Look at out history—slaves,women, and even now–families that have people over seas and we are keeping them over there. So burning a swastika is the same as burning a flag.
Andrew said,
October 27, 2006 at 11:07 am
Right on Dani-if you can burn one symbol, then you should be able to burn another.
John said,
October 27, 2006 at 11:08 am
America isn’t the only the country that had slaves Andrew.
Dani said,
October 27, 2006 at 11:08 am
well yes but even thought it is evil, it should be treated like any other symbol.
like i said, somebody could look at the american flag and shudder and think ahhhh
Dani said,
October 27, 2006 at 11:09 am
amen andrew
= P
Dani said,
October 27, 2006 at 11:51 am
ok well what if a you burned a swastika in front of a nzi?
is that a bad thing. even thought what they belive in is horrible, they should still have the same rights as everyone else!!
gah.
Tyler K said,
October 27, 2006 at 11:56 am
I agree Dani, except I’d shoot the nzi first, then burn it, if I was that rude, or mean which I would never do.
Andrew said,
October 27, 2006 at 1:30 pm
Well yeah dani that would be bad–but i didn’t say that—i said some one that agree’s with what the Nazi’s
Dani said,
October 27, 2006 at 1:40 pm
?
ok this is getting confusing!
tyler shooing someone is murder so…………….
gah
Sheldon said,
October 27, 2006 at 3:59 pm
What is Your point Tyler?
Andrew said,
October 28, 2006 at 3:47 pm
really tyler-how does tat fit in?
Celie said,
October 29, 2006 at 3:12 pm
I’m confused. What?
Marlowe said,
October 29, 2006 at 8:51 pm
Listen.
Tyler -Murder is wrong
And If you burn one symbol, burn them all.
————–
John said,
October 27, 2006 at 11:08 am
America isn’t the only the country that had slaves Andrew.
What?! So what? The point is WE had them.
Tyler K said,
October 30, 2006 at 10:16 am
marlowe, you do have a good point! Thanks for bringing that up, I never would have thought of that.I rushed
Tyler K said,
October 30, 2006 at 10:24 am
I may be a little late on this but andrew do you know the definition of patriotic i may be a bit nieve(sorry that this misspled) but i dont think saying light up the flag the symbol of america is patriotic.
nick said,
October 30, 2006 at 10:26 am
that last comment that said tyler k was mine sorry
Tyler K said,
October 30, 2006 at 10:39 am
John, andrew, what do slaves have to do with flag burning??? I’m lost……..
Tyler K said,
October 30, 2006 at 10:42 am
So lost…….
Tyler K said,
October 30, 2006 at 10:49 am
ok what this is getting like reeeeaalllly confusing!!
gah!
john said,
October 30, 2006 at 10:54 am
The point is he’s zeroing in on us.
john said,
October 30, 2006 at 11:04 am
YOUR just zeroing in on us not anyone else.
john said,
October 30, 2006 at 11:05 am
my bad my computer is messed disregard my last comment
Travis said,
October 30, 2006 at 2:55 pm
Yes, True!
Travis said,
October 30, 2006 at 2:56 pm
OK
Tyler K said,
October 30, 2006 at 2:58 pm
ok heres a thought to think of
can somebody, /legally/ come in from a different country, buy a american flag then burn it, adn not get in trouble.
actually think about it
gah.
gah
Dani said,
October 30, 2006 at 2:59 pm
ok sorry about that it messed up nad said tylers stuff, that
was dani with the great idea,
you can tell cause of the gahs
Dani said,
October 30, 2006 at 3:01 pm
ok and that other one that says tyler k this is really confusing is also me, dani so yeah
gah
Tyler K said,
October 30, 2006 at 3:02 pm
and i thought that was me being smart!!! that’s ok dani
Dani said,
October 30, 2006 at 3:06 pm
yeha but why is it doing that!?
did you mess with it?
ah were all gunna die!1
gah
Tyler K said,
October 30, 2006 at 3:06 pm
the swastika does repreasent evil the buddhist symbol is oppiset of the swastika and it was meant to be evil because it was worn by the members of the AXIS OF EVIL!!!!!!!!!!
jenessa said,
October 30, 2006 at 3:09 pm
I think that flag burning should be illegal because it is disrespesting our country and disrespecting our symbol that represents us and our freedom.
Dani said,
October 30, 2006 at 3:11 pm
ok but nobody is answering my question!!
can i wear a swastka and say oh tiddle dee it means evil
k heres a thought to think of
can somebody, /legally/ come in from a different country, buy a american flag then burn it, adn not get in trouble.
actually think about it
john said,
October 30, 2006 at 3:17 pm
I did and i don’t get your piont. If you do come in with a swastka I will get very angry.
Andrew said,
October 30, 2006 at 3:53 pm
yeah you can dani it is perfectly legal–you just might get shunned (sp?)
oh eah and the slaves your jsut and example of somethingt i said earlier
dani said,
October 31, 2006 at 9:37 am
ok… well john what i mean is since, like everyone here is saying that the swastika means evil, then can i draw one on my hand and say “oh it means evil, and im evil so tiddle dee”?
dani said,
October 31, 2006 at 3:21 pm
?????
Andrew said,
November 1, 2006 at 9:23 am
Dani—you could–you will just probably get shunned for it, it’s not illegal just highly unadvisable
Sheldon said,
November 1, 2006 at 9:36 am
No, because you can not where them in school and you will be arrested if you where them outside…I think…
dani said,
November 1, 2006 at 9:37 am
no….gah you arent getting it!!
no but you people are saying that it means evil, so could i walk around with one drawn on my ahnd and say oh it means evil.
because you guys are saying it means evil
Sheldon said,
November 1, 2006 at 9:39 am
no
john said,
November 1, 2006 at 9:42 am
Dani what are you trying to say?
Barb said,
November 1, 2006 at 3:53 pm
Dani, you probably couldn’t wear the swastika because it violate the Maine and U.S. civil rights law and/or act. It’s anti-semitism, which is racist (or predjudiced), so you couldn’t wear it at school. I dunno about just on the streets though. (it’d be HIGHLY unadvisable as Andrew said) gah.
Andrew said,
November 2, 2006 at 9:36 am
john said,
October 30, 2006 at 10:54 am
The point is he’s zeroing in on us.
Im not zeroing in on you, im simply hitting you with cold hard facts that are true and you can’t handle because you know im right and you are wrong!
dani said,
November 2, 2006 at 9:51 am
ok well do you think that i could get in more trouble for wearing a shirt that says f*ck or a shirt with a swastika
Andrew said,
November 2, 2006 at 9:54 am
A shirt with a swastika dani. You’d get in much more trouble with a swastika on it–and a lot of counciling-f*** will just get you suspended
swastika will get you suspended and hours of conciling (what does this have to do with flag burning? oh well)
dani said,
November 2, 2006 at 9:55 am
im saying is it worse to wear a swastika or have a shirt that says f*ck on it?
well i just was wondering….
Andrew said,
November 2, 2006 at 9:56 am
Well I told you what i think
Caitlin said,
November 2, 2006 at 9:57 am
…um, do you think people should be allowed to burn the American flag?
(Lets get back on topic here…)
Andrew said,
November 2, 2006 at 9:57 am
Good idea Caitlin
Yeah they should freedom of expression
john said,
November 2, 2006 at 10:03 am
Andrew I was responding to the slave comment!
$~*NImO*~$ said,
November 2, 2006 at 10:05 am
??? What slave comment? i didn’t see one??
john said,
November 2, 2006 at 10:08 am
Andrew just cause i have diffrent opion then you dosen’t make me wrong.
Andrew said,
November 2, 2006 at 10:09 am
I know John.
like i siad before
Im not zeroing in on you, im simply hitting you with cold hard facts that are true and you can’t handle because you know im right and you are wrong!
Andrew said,
November 2, 2006 at 10:10 am
I didn’t say that did I
I siad im right and backing up my answers with facts and you can’t handle getting whomped!
John said,
November 2, 2006 at 10:11 am
I never said you weren’t right I never said anything. I can handle it!
Andrew said,
November 2, 2006 at 10:12 am
Think what you wnat–then why are you saying im only zeroing on you?
dani said,
November 2, 2006 at 11:00 am
ahhh we are repeating our selfs!!!!!!!!
!!!!!gah!!!!!
Tyler K said,
November 2, 2006 at 11:05 am
STOP SAYING GAH PLEASE!!!!!! It’s getting so annoying!!
dani said,
November 2, 2006 at 11:17 am
well too bad
gah
i think that you are annoying but i dont tell you to stop…
gah gah gah gah
and gah!!
dani said,
November 2, 2006 at 11:24 am
well tyler besides the point, thisi ahs nothong to do with flag burning
now
back to subject
ok now what if a only burned an american flag to piss people off?
because i remember when i was little on the 4th of july people were fighting and then one person lit a flag up and the other person just shrugged iot off because they knew it was only to make them mad so l;iem yeah
umm
gah.
Andrew said,
November 2, 2006 at 7:07 pm
um gah dani thats hard gah
not sure
gah
Sheldon said,
November 2, 2006 at 8:51 pm
you r so mean!!!
but it’s fun so…gah!!!!
anywho, it’s still wrong in my book to burn a flag no matter what!!!
so gah!!!
and yes “gah” is annoying!
gah!
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 9:28 am
GAH! ok im stopping with “gah” it is very annoyong. but other people can still say it.
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 10:34 am
ok stop it its not annoying to me its childish to keep pionting out that i say and type it.
well does anybody have an answer to my question if me buring a flag had no meaning besides to make people mad, and i still a “unpatriotic” person?
GAH.
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 10:44 am
“well does anybody have an answer to my question if me buring a flag had no meaning besides to make people mad, and i still a “unpatriotic” person?”
You miss the point of the flag and what it means to a LOT of people. first and foremost it is a symbol of our freedoms and rights as Americans.
A lot of people have put their life one the line for that “symbol”. Have lost loved ones, and friends for that “symbol”.
To ask “if me buring a flag had no meaning besides to make people mad, and i still a “unpatriotic” person?” you have to first ask yourself this… why are you doing it? To make the person mad? Why not just spit in THEIR face. Why take a symbol which YOU KNOW is dear to more then that person and destroy it?
Attacking a symbol of many is just that. You are attacking those that believe in that symbol not just the one person you are trying to make mad.
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 10:55 am
Although burning the flag may upset people, it is something our constitutional democracy allows.
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:00 am
I think we should kill any one who burns the flag.
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:05 am
That’s not the voice of democracy, what you are suggesting there is that America should become a dictatorship. If this happened why would it matter anymore if the flag was burned, because then it would no longer stand for freedom, and everything you say it stands for.
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:05 am
“Although burning the flag may upset people, it is something our constitutional democracy allows”
There is a lot of things our Constitution “allows” but there are things that anyone with an iota of common sense knows is “wrong” and not to do it….
So why is it “illegal” to yell Bomb or even mention the word bomb on a plane/airport? Yet burning a flag is protected under our Constitutional Democracy? It has the same effect. It causes a reaction in people that may hurt or injure another.
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:09 am
Burning the flag doesn’t put people in danger like yelling bomb does, that’s the difference. Saying there is a breach in security in the airport is different than making a political statement by burning a symbol.
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:15 am
I’d rather see them light them selves on fire then the flag.
york8 said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:17 am
Thats sick John, the flag is worth more than a life?
~Marlowe
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:18 am
Great to know John, but that has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all.
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:25 am
I beg to differ Caitlin. Take an American flag to the next 4th of July Celebration. Or maybe even a Veterans day gathering. Get oh lets say about 10 people that “want” and think its ok to burn the American Flag and are willing to defend that right.
Then do it. Lets see what happens.
(please dont do this.. Im just using it as an example)
The word Bomb in an airport means “nothing”. However in any context you are not allowed to say it…. But what about my COnstitutional rights? Why cant I say “Shes the bomb” to some attractive young lady that walks by…
Cause it falls under that iota of common sense……
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:35 am
Yes the flag is worth more then 1000 lifes.
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:36 am
The word Bomb in an airport means “nothing”. However in any context you are not allowed to say it…. But what about my COnstitutional rights? Why cant I say “Shes the bomb” to some attractive young lady that walks by…
ok well if i go in a airnport and yell “BOMB” at the top of my lungs then yell nothing i would get in alot more trouble then burning a flag…and i highly doubt that somebody would say shes the bomb to an attractive young lady who walks by they would saysome obscene comment on her body. Saying bomb in an airport can send the airport into mass chaos…so lets go and try it now
gah
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:44 am
And burning an American flag at one of the places I mentioned wont?
As for the comment to a young lady Im using it as an example. Yes any mention of the word “bomb” in any context in an airport CAN and WILL get you in trouble.
Dont get me wrong I would never do it. Nor would I burn an American flag or any other symbol that a group of people believe in. That is just asking for trouble. You are doing nothing to that group or that individual. Wanna hurt someone? Take it out on them. Not the symbol of 999 other people you dont even know. That is the ONLY reason people do it. To ellicit a reaction from a GROUP of people.
Also are you going to address the answer I posted with regards to your question?
patrick said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:30 pm
I think if the really want to spend the time burning the flag that they can do it on there own property but not in a public place if they hate the country so much I think can drive how ever many hours it is to canada
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:53 pm
? ok patty well i tihnk that its finee top do that
freeedom of speech
gah
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:01 pm
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:00 am
I think we should kill any one who burns the flag.
you are really sick
this is your most stupid and niave comment yet— The flag is not worth someones life
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:04 pm
“The flag is not worth someones life”
How bout what it stands for? Is that worth someones life?
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:05 pm
but yet it is
andrew he is not stupid and niave
i can say that about you because i dont agree with you saying that about him and the flag
i think thta we should be able to burn the flag but what about all the people who
*DIED* to protect what it means??
*DIED*
gah.
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:05 pm
no Aknot it really isn’t–the flag is cloth tat represtents america
the swastika is cloth that represents nazi
neither them is worth someones life
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:06 pm
amen Aknot
my point exact well to you its no worth as life but to others it is…..
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Dani- i didn’t say he was stupid nad niave–i said his comment was stupid and niave
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:07 pm
a swastika is not a cloth it is a symbol
and yes they are worth some ones life
ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ***DDIIEEDD*** TO PROTECT WHAT IT MEANS??
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:08 pm
How does that make me sick just cause I think the flag is worth lives??
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:09 pm
well that is like saying he is stupid and niave because those are his belifes and his thouhts so….
gah
york8 said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:12 pm
A piece of cloth is NOT worth the lives of people, good or bad. Its a symbol, made to be broken or whorshuped but not a sacraficial god.
~Marlowe
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:13 pm
a swastika is not a cloth it is a symbol
and yes they are worth some ones life
Dani–correction the swastika is cloth–if youve hever seen one or read aobut them
How does that make me sick just cause I think the flag is worth lives??
so everybody who burns a flag should be killed? how about everbody you wears glass, or has braces or likes hockey, should they all be killed too?
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:15 pm
I think it’s worth 100 lives a star!
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:17 pm
So you are saying that anything that represents America is not worth human life…
“the flag is cloth tat represtents america”
What about the soldier that represents America? The Statue of Liberty? Washington Monument?
So its ok to just destroy those things to show you are not (not you) happy with someones beliefs or views?
I see what you are saying… then instead of burning the flag why not burn a pillow case? Because it does not have the same symbolism as the flag and will not generate the same response….
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:18 pm
what????
andrew you are being a hypocrite!!!
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:01 pm
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:00 am
I think we should kill any one who burns the flag.
you are really sick
this is your most stupid and niave comment yet— The flag is not worth someones life
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:05 pm
no Aknot it really isn’t–the flag is cloth tat represtents america
the swastika is cloth that represents nazi
neither them is worth someones life
!HYPOCRITE!
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:19 pm
I never said that this is about flags not stupid hockey.
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:24 pm
i was just saying
that if you kill everybody who burns a flag should die then every budist and every person who burns a bible and anybody who does anything!
And im not a hypocrite dani!!!!
I didn’t contridict myself!
i just said what ive said the whole time
I see what you are saying… then instead of burning the flag why not burn a pillow case? Because it does not have the same symbolism as the flag and will
not generate the same response….
That’s not what im saying im jsut saying that it is ok to burn the flag GOD!
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:26 pm
Oh yeah John if you kill everybody that has burn a flag
please kill me first
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:28 pm
yes you did you said first its not worth a life then you said it did so which one is it?
ok then……..
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:33 pm
“That’s not what im saying im jsut saying that it is ok to burn the flag GOD!” And I am saying it is not. It is not “OK” to burn the symbol of anyone. Period. the only thing you are doing when you do this is attempting to get a reaction.
If you “hate” America and what it stands for…. leave…. live in a remote area, stand up and make change. But dont stoop to a tatic that only creates more problems.
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:14 pm
agreed but yet some of us cant leave this country, like us teens….so that is a problem so umm
gah
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:31 pm
I suggested 2 other recourses. one you didnt point out, you only chose the one that “works” for you…so ummm
Yup and you must abide by the laws that govern you. If you want them changed speak up do something about them, come up with something better. If not bide your time when you do become of age and can “legally” do what you please and leave.
Once you find this perfect Utopia you will be leaving for drop me a line im dying to know where it is.
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 4:19 pm
If you “hate” America and what it stands for…. leave…. live in a remote area, stand up and make change. But dont stoop to a tatic that only creates more problems.
ok ill leave the minute you figure out what freedom is–wait for you nad John-that will be never
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 4:31 pm
Freedom is what you percieve it to be. I cant tell you what freedom is. Hence the reason “if you dont like it leave it” is such a good phrase. I like what I have here. Perfect? No but I believe its the best thing going in the free world.
You dont? Fine. Change it… or well… leave it. Dont stand on a soapbox and just complain.
Andrew said,
November 3, 2006 at 10:40 pm
You know-i don’t have to change it because its not a law-it is perfectly legal to burn a flag! so you change it and not complain!
Aknot said,
November 5, 2006 at 12:45 pm
“so you change it and not complain!”
Andrew,
Im trying.
Not only am I prior service I support vets and active service members I also make sure my voice and opinion is heard when I can with issues I believe strongly in. This being one of them.
Andrew said,
November 6, 2006 at 9:21 am
Well that’s very good but why change the law–do you want us to live in fear of what would happen if we didn’t have freedom?
Emma said,
November 6, 2006 at 2:24 pm
Andrew, rephrase the question. Absolutely confusing me there.
“Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:33 pm
“That’s not what im saying im jsut saying that it is ok to burn the flag GOD!” And I am saying it is not. It is not “OK” to burn the symbol of anyone. Period. the only thing you are doing when you do this is attempting to get a reaction.
If you “hate” America and what it stands for…. leave…. live in a remote area, stand up and make change. But dont stoop to a tatic that only creates more problems.”
The American Flag is a symbol, yes. But it means something different to everyone. To you, “Aknot,” it may be a symbol of freedom. Correct me if I’m wrong when I say this, that the definition of freedom is; “the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints.” I don’t think there are many other ways to interpret this from how it is written. Being unable to burn the flag, a symbol despised by some, IS imposing restraints. You can be against people that burn the flag, and voice your opinions as you are, but no one should have to leave their country or be forced to compromise because they do not agree with your opinion.
nick said,
November 6, 2006 at 2:30 pm
but complet freedom is dagerius there is no and should neaver be complet freedom for you could do anything and is not very safe by imposing restraints you make everything less dargerius and burning a flag is dangerius you could set your clothing a flame or you could start a riot or you could get some one *!@#ed off and you could get badly hurt.
Aknot said,
November 6, 2006 at 2:32 pm
hmmm Let me try to answer that….
First off define “freedom”. Not an internet definition but what you think freedom is.
Now for why I want the law changed. Like many others its not just a piece of material. The American flag (and anyone elses flag for that matter) is a symbol.
This particular symbol is held dear to me. Ive had a friend die and a friend badly injured for this flag. Ive put my life on the line for this flag. As have thousands upon thousands before me.
(not looking for a sob story just letting you know)
Now yes it is your “right” to burn that symbol. However dont you think a little respect is in order for why you have that right? Thats probably the biggest “beef” I have. People say well Ive got the right to do it.. How do you think you got that right? Yup people standing up for and fighting for that symbol you have the right to burn.
So no I dont think I would live in fear if this one “freedom” you speak of was lost. Your next question is “well where does it stop”? Well using a little common sense is all that is needed.
Andrew said,
November 6, 2006 at 8:56 pm
Nicley put emma!!!
I totally agree!
Aknot–freedom is to speak out against politics to show that you hate them
Therefore LEAVE ME ALONE!–i am right!~
Aknot said,
November 7, 2006 at 9:50 am
“Therefore LEAVE ME ALONE!–i am right!~” That statement alone proves you are wrong. You may think your opinion is best for you, but there is no right or wrong here…
Also Andrew I dont consider the American Flag “political”.
So Emma what you are saying is that there are no restraints within our society today? People are free to come, go and do as they please?
I hate to burst your “freedom” bubble but I do not have “the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints.”
Splitting hairs? You darn right. Dont throw up a “text book” definition of something you cant back up.
As Nick said you cant have a society with “complete” freedom. Your freedom and my freedom may be two different things along with Andrews view of freedom.
Here is the question im dying to hear answered…. Why? Why burn the flag? Why would anyone want to “upset” even just one person by doing this?
Thats like wearing an SS outfit to a Holocoust museum. Thats like wearing a Klan outfit to a Martin Luther King parade.
While you may have the “freedom” to do it, it just doesnt seem right does it?
Now do any of you have a problem with a group of people allowed to walk into the Holocust museum in DC wearing full SS uniforms? Would you support their “right” to do that? When I mean “support” I mean go to a website and speak out on their behalf?
There are quite a few other scenerios I could probably list. If I knew each and every one of you a little better I BET I could come up with a topic that you would say “but you cant do that”.. and my answer would be, but hey I got the right…..
Just cause you got the right doesnt mean it is. Hence the reason there are laws in place now. Hence the reason there should be a law in place. (Again not just the American Flag.. )
Sheldon said,
November 7, 2006 at 10:16 am
Good point!
Barb said,
November 7, 2006 at 11:21 am
Well, meanies come and go. We can’t stop them from stating what they wish. We can correct them, sure, but Aknot, freedom is a bit more than respect for everyone. (as important as it is) At least I think it is. As you said, everyone has a different definiton of freedom, which is why burning the flag should be allowed. We don’t know everyone’s views. But sometimes people got to suck it up, or show people and tell people why you disagree and how innapropriate you think it is.
Aknot said,
November 7, 2006 at 11:31 am
Barb,
More harm then good…. Letting people burn the symbol of thousands or preventing people from doing it?
Sometimes you have to take the lesser of two evils. Ive told you why I agree it SHOULDNT be burned. The only “reason” people have been giving to burn it is cause its “their right”…
You want to show your stance on George Bush? Burn his picture. You dont like “America” boycott it. You wanna piss off people you dont even know and show your inability to grasp the concept of what that flag stands for burn it. You are burning the exact symbol of what gives you the “right” to burn it… Kind of Hypocritical aint it?
john said,
November 8, 2006 at 9:40 am
I think it’s a BIG DISGRACE to burn the flag. You burning the flag is showing all the men and women over seas that you hate them. How? Well because there fighting to keep you rights and freedom. FREEDOM isn’t FREE
john said,
November 8, 2006 at 10:10 am
Burn the flag? I think burn yourself. If I see someone burning the flag I want to say “Light youself on fire”. By buring the blag there disrespecting the troops defending this country from the Anti-Americans(terrorists). If you burn the flag why don’t you just go over their and burn it with them becuase your no better then them.
Andrew said,
November 8, 2006 at 2:22 pm
Wering an SS outfit to DC is against the law–they have a law that if you do—-they cna arrest you
Aknot said,
November 8, 2006 at 3:27 pm
“Wering an SS outfit to DC is against the law–they have a law that if you do—-they cna arrest you”
But doesnt that go against my “rights”?
$~*NiMO*~$ said,
November 8, 2006 at 9:23 pm
I say that burning the flag should be illegal because you should show some respect to the country that you live in…. but i also say that other symbols like the bible or the quran, should be protected more than the flag is. because they are religious symbols and they mean a lot to the people who practice that religion. “America” is not really a religion…LOL. But you should atleast show “some” respect to your countries flag. and not burn it….. i really on both sides actually…… i don’t know.
PeAcE
Andrew said,
November 9, 2006 at 10:34 am
yeah- I said the super smart thing before this post-not Barb.
Andrew said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:10 am
John Said
I think it’s a BIG DISGRACE to burn the flag. You burning the flag is showing all the men and women over seas that you hate them. How? Well because there fighting to keep you rights and freedom. FREEDOM isn’t FREE
Well John, if you decided to kill 100 people for every flag burned-you wouyld end up killing more people that have been killed in the war–and why should I burn myself if I am standing up for my rights.
And Aknot-yeah it is against your rights, but President Bush is bull and has no idea what he is doing.
and Barb- nicely put you are totally correct.
john said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:43 am
I say if you burn the flag then your a disgreace to your country your telling all the troops over seas that you don’t care about them and that you could care less if they all died. I’d rather see them light them selves on fire then the flag.
john said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:51 am
Burn the flag more like burn yourselve
Andrew said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:52 am
But why John? So you are saying that Im saying that I think i msaying its ok for them to die, but then you say that they should lite themselves on fire not a flag?
that’s hyporiticle(sp?)
Andrew said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:53 am
ohn said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:51 am
Burn the flag more like burn yourselve
what?????
Elizabeth said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:56 am
Andrew said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:52 am
But why John? So you are saying that Im saying that I think i msaying its ok for them to die, but then you say that they should lite themselves on fire not a flag?
that’s hyporiticle(sp?)
Andrew, please explain what you are trying to say…
Andrew said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:57 am
ok sorry that post was a little confusing–but why don’t you tell elizabeth to post her own comments
My comment was supposed to so that you are saying that i am saying that i think it is ok for the people in the war to say but then you say that you would prefer for them to lite themselves on fire and not the flag. So you are technically saying that the flag is more important then their lives? YOu should check your proirities (sp?)
john said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:59 am
If you burn the flag you should lite your selves on fire and then die THAT BETTER ANDREW.
john said,
November 9, 2006 at 11:59 am
fool
Andrew said,
November 9, 2006 at 12:21 pm
ok john take a break—moron
john said,
November 9, 2006 at 12:28 pm
I love being called a moron by another moron.
john said,
November 9, 2006 at 12:35 pm
call me all the names you want you won’t silence me.
Elizabeth said,
November 9, 2006 at 12:37 pm
umm Andrew what do you mean I need to post my own comments?
john said,
November 9, 2006 at 1:10 pm
I do think the flag is worth more then the person burning it.
Sheldon said,
November 11, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Liz, I think that he ment for you to stop “copy and Pasting” other peoples comments. But, the thing is, is that everybody does it, not just you!
So…gah!(As Dani would so annoyingly put in)!
Barb said,
November 13, 2006 at 11:25 am
john,
Don’t you think that if you lit someone on fire for burning the flag you are being hypocritical? You aren’t showing that you’re patriotic, you are being a criminal, and your standing up for our country in a horrible way. Look, if two people disagree on if the American flag should be burned, and the “patriotic” guy burns him, doesn’t that make HIM the fool?
It’s both irrational and ironic that you would do that, because then what are you standing up for?
That’s not making a point, it’s wasting lives. If you’re for the war in Iraq, and are trying to show you are supportive, why say that a life isn’t important. The people risking their lives will question why it’s worth it.
Elizabeth said,
November 13, 2006 at 11:31 am
Did even read my questions? I said I’d rather see them lite them SELVES on fire. I wouldn’t lite them on fire. Re read my comment please.
John said,
November 13, 2006 at 11:31 am
THAT WAS ME FIX THE BLOG FASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Andrew said,
November 14, 2006 at 1:40 pm
Uh John the blig is permanently bugged niether Mr. Grant nor me nor Marlowe can fix it so calm down.!
Tyler K said,
November 14, 2006 at 2:19 pm
Good comment all of u guys and girls. Not to mention, John THE BLOG WILL FIX ITSELF!!! Have some patience.Good Greif….
Sheldon said,
November 14, 2006 at 2:29 pm
I agree with “Charlie Brown” (Good Grief).
John said,
November 14, 2006 at 3:02 pm
Blig? Whats a blig? Please inform me on this new word.
Barb said,
November 16, 2006 at 1:32 pm
blog***exuse me
Andrew said,
November 16, 2006 at 1:33 pm
that was me again
york8 said,
November 16, 2006 at 1:48 pm
ATTENTION THIS PAGE IS CORRUPTED. A REPLACEMENT WILL BE MADE SOON.
DanD said,
November 16, 2006 at 2:25 pm
AHEM! lets get back on topic shall we?
~~Franciska~~ said,
November 16, 2006 at 3:22 pm
I think that Flag burning is okay and not okay at the same time
It’s disrespectful
if it’z on your proterty it is fine
..::♥Nimo♥::.. said,
November 16, 2006 at 6:18 pm
hahahaha i agree with you fran!! i like how you wrote your name…… where did I see that before……..??? lol. y
anwayz i do agree with you but NO ONE should be allowed to burn the flag. if you would like to burn the flag of the country that YOU live in…… then why live here in the first place….huh??
thats just my view****
PeAcE OuT A ToWn ♥
Sheldon said,
November 21, 2006 at 4:57 pm
Why would someone want to even burn the falg? (ANY flag for that matter)?
Caitlin said,
November 22, 2006 at 10:43 am
How would lighting yourself on fire make a political statement or solve anything John? By saying people should light themselves on fire instead of merely burning the flag you are supporting the radical ideas that you so hate.
Sheldon said,
November 22, 2006 at 1:53 pm
Good point Caitlin.
Andrew said,
November 27, 2006 at 11:43 am
Very good Point Caitlin
Aaron said,
November 27, 2006 at 2:27 pm
hey i think people should stop being pyros and use the old types of protest like picketfences or sometihng like that .
nick said,
November 27, 2006 at 2:28 pm
that last comment was mine sorry Aaron my computer always does that.
Tyler K said,
November 27, 2006 at 2:44 pm
I agree with Sheldon.
Shyla said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:07 am
I agree with Caitlin & Sheldon also.
dani said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:39 am
if you would like to burn the flag of the country that YOU live in…… then why live here in the first place….huh??
thats just my view****
PeAcE OuT A ToWn ♥
Sheldon said,
November 21, 2006 at 4:57 pm
Why would someone want to even burn the falg? (ANY flag for that matter)?
ok well we as teens/children have no choice in weather we live in america or not t hta is our parents desion
v
and people want to burn the american flag is to protest against many diffrerent things
Andrew said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:41 am
yeah so like dani said it’s not our choice, and if we want to burn the flag it is our constitiutional right, well freedom of expression is. So let us be Americans.
york8 said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:44 am
Stop freaking out Sheldon. It gets really old really fast.
~Marlowe
york8 said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:45 am
Sheldon-marlowe is right! stop freaking out! and i know you are going to say your not-but you are!
Andrew
Sheldon said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:48 am
How am I freaking out?!
Now I am!
york8 said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:49 am
it is quite obvious, you are trying to hard for people to understand your point and when some one says your wrong you go
HOW AM I WRONG?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I am always right
or something like that
Andrew
John said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:51 am
Catlin thats not what I’m saying if you would read my comments I said I’d rather see them light them selves on fire then the flag. Do you understand what ‘m saying now?
york8 said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:53 am
Ok but it says id rather see them light themselves on fire rather than the flag
so what you are saying
Kill yourself instead of lighting the flag on fire
Andrew
york8 said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:54 am
hehehe “Catlin”. heheh Crazy over-patriotism for the flag. hehehe By inference the Flag is a religious icon the requires sacrifice. Resault: Patriotic sacrificing, suicidal, homicaidal death cult…America America God shed His greace on me….
~Marlowe
John said,
November 29, 2006 at 9:58 am
yes “York8″ thats exactly what I’m saying. Make you feel better now?
york8 said,
November 29, 2006 at 10:00 am
Yes quite. I was just making a conculsion based on what you said and made an inference.
~Marlowe
york8 said,
November 29, 2006 at 10:09 am
Well that is very stupid
A persons life is more that a piece of cloth burning!!! it is so upsetting that you you would rather see people die instead of people burning the flag. That is totally wrong
Andrew
york8 said,
November 29, 2006 at 10:11 am
Yes it is. Wait are you (nameless person) yelling at me or John, becuase I didnt say that.
~Marlowe
John said,
November 29, 2006 at 10:15 am
If a protester burns the flag I’d rather see him go up in flames. I dont care if its just a piece of cloth to you to me its more then some protester.
york8 said,
November 29, 2006 at 10:15 am
oh deffinitly John marlowe!
Andrew
york8 said,
November 29, 2006 at 1:09 pm
Oh ok
.
~Marlowe
dani said,
December 1, 2006 at 9:45 am
well in a way i have to agree with john
lets change the seniario a little
marlowe you do something and you get all famous and then you do something that really pisses people off {hmmmm sounds familiar}
would you rather have somebody light up the american flag infront of your house, OR have some one light up your house?
Andrew said,
December 1, 2006 at 10:12 am
I would have a person light the flag on fire not my house
dani said,
December 1, 2006 at 10:45 am
exaclty
John said,
December 2, 2006 at 10:48 pm
really if someone burnt the flag and they lit on fire i wouldn’t even spit on him/her. I mean I don’t care what people think of me becuase I now people in Iraq right now as this blag goes on. So people think what you want I dont care.
John said,
December 4, 2006 at 9:41 am
blog**
Barb said,
December 4, 2006 at 9:47 am
That’s interesting.
I believe in supporting our troops, and not supporting the war. i know many people in Iraq as well, but john and i still have differing beliefs.
i love america, but in order for America to stay as free, I think people have the rights to burn a flag. There are times when i think people go too far, i.e. protesting at a funeral. That’s just plain disrespectful. But, neverless, they can do it. People don’t need to change the constitution to try to keep respect around.
So, I still respect and will defend our troops, but I don’t think that every citizen has to.
Andrew said,
December 4, 2006 at 10:00 am
very nicely put barb
dani said,
December 4, 2006 at 10:07 am
i mean yeah tis great and all, people dying for others comforts, but has anyone {who supports the war} has thought thisis all useless?
gah
John said,
December 4, 2006 at 11:01 am
Don’t get me wrong I want world peace but unfoutenatly to make peace we must have war with the people who don’t like peace.=(
Elizabeth said,
December 4, 2006 at 11:16 am
what does burning the flag do? it doesn’t prove anything. it just shows that you are ignorant and that you take freedom of speech/expression for granted.
dani said,
December 5, 2006 at 9:34 am
how is that taking your freedom of speech/expression for granted?
Elizabeth said,
December 5, 2006 at 11:23 am
They are burning the symbol that represents our freedom of speech.
DanD said,
December 5, 2006 at 11:56 am
burning the constitution would be burning what represents freedom of speech. the flag is just a way of saying the word america. not a symbol of our rights.
york8 said,
December 5, 2006 at 12:19 pm
Oooh no! Someone is buring a multi-color cheap piece of cloth! My god, thats terrorism! Not really. Its just a rag with some pretty colors, not America. Just burn it iof you want and if yoiu don’t then just don’t. And by the way
Elizabeth said,
December 5, 2006 at 11:23 am
They are burning the symbol that represents our freedom of speech.
But they are expressing their free speech by burning it.
~Marlowe
dani said,
December 5, 2006 at 2:55 pm
ahhhh!!
so its all confusing now!!
John said,
December 5, 2006 at 2:59 pm
They’re burning the VERY SYMBOL THAT REPRESENTS OUR FREEDOM.
dani said,
December 5, 2006 at 3:01 pm
so?
if you really think about it, it doesnt do anything….to me the flag is like, nothing.
Barb said,
December 5, 2006 at 8:42 pm
Its kind of a random symbol, isnt it? I mean, if we wanted to make peopel mad, we could have some kind of symbol with a puritan base to it. That’s how a big chunk of americans woulve wanted it, back in the 1700s. Then it was a flag, maybe in the future people will want a pic of some leader to be a symbol representing freedom.
Symbols arent the real thing, remember? If someone was burning veterans, that would be way worse, which even you anti- flag burners must admit.
A flag…well to some it may represent people dying for this great nation. For me, its a mere piece of cloth.
So, do we need a silly little argument about it?
Elizabeth said,
December 5, 2006 at 9:13 pm
If you want to go out and make a political statement then go out and do something useful with your freedom of speech. Its pointless to burn the flag it doesn’t prove anything.
Barb said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:21 am
It’s not pointless. Just because its not the most respectful way or the best way to express your freedom of speech;doesn’t mean that they can’t do it.
Andrew said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:24 am
John said,
December 5, 2006 at 2:59 pm
They’re burning the VERY SYMBOL THAT REPRESENTS OUR FREEDOM.
I say what the HE double hockeysticks. the flag doesn’t represent our freedom–it’s just cloth. The constitution is the symbol not the flag it represents america not our freedom
dani said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:34 am
Elizabeth said,
December 5, 2006 at 9:13 pm
If you want to go out and make a political statement then go out and do something useful with your freedom of speech. Its pointless to burn the flag it doesn’t prove anything.
ok well if it doesnt prove anyrihng then why are you and others geting so upset about it?
Its is a political statement to burn the american flag.
Andrew said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:44 am
very nicely said Dani
John said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:47 am
Well Andrew why the HE double hockey sticks do you always seem to agure with me on everthing I say. I think if they burn the flag then they can get the HE double hockey sticks out of this country.
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:50 am
Well John if you continue to ignore better sense and keep to your ARGUEment, then I’ll I can do is hope you never get into politics.
~Marlowe
Sheldon said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:51 am
When you say that it is a “Political Statement” to burn the flag, are you saying that it’s a just people speaking their mind on how they feel about politics? I kinda disagree.
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:53 am
Sheldon, its all the same, really. Burning the flag is a form of exibitaion or protest against the current administration, one person or the whole country.
~Marlowe
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:54 am
but why leave the country for exercising our freedoms-being patriotic doesn’t just mean love the president don’t touch the flag- it means exercising your freedoms.
And Marlowe- I hope he doesn’t go into politics either
Andrew
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:56 am
He’s exactly right sheldon. It is all the same
Andrew
John said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:56 am
I hope either of you don’t you would ruin this country.
dani said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:58 am
omg!!
stop we are going to get into those stupid {yet fun} arguments!
well i think that andrew made a really good point
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:58 am
Country? Nah, the world would be so much better. But if I did run the country I would make it better.
~Marlowe
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:59 am
We wouldn’t ruin the country, we would be the best thing for it. We would save everyone from the crap the Bush has left! We know how to exercise freedom-not stop people from doing what their freedoms allow them.
Andrew
Sheldon said,
December 6, 2006 at 9:59 am
What do you mean?
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:01 am
Thank you dani
Andrew
John said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:02 am
Marlowe you make it standerd for our troops to have swords and ponytials.
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:02 am
And Sheldon don’t post usless spammy comments again.
~Marlowe
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:04 am
Actully, I would have more money put into ecomomy rather than the military. Then I would have the military devoted to defense, not attack, and of course they would have guns. I may be crazy but I’m not dumb enough to aknowlegde that guns are a major tactical advantage. Then I would foster better diplomatic relations and premote world peace.
~Marlowe
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:04 am
John what is htat supposed to mean? It doesn’t even make sense. And sheldon please don’t post useless spammy comments again, like marlowe said.
Andrew
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:07 am
I’m sure you would marlowe—I think you could do much better than pres. Bush\
Andrew
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:08 am
Thanks Andrew, I’m sure I would. But 13 year olds can’t be elected and I don;t have some super weapon or plan to have a hostile takeover of the government, so I’ll just wait.
~Marlowe
dani said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:09 am
well i think that john made a wonderful point
marlowe if you were president…….oh god…..
york8 said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:11 am
Yes. -sigh- ok point taken. Moving on. What if the flag is YOUR proterity, can you burn it?
~Marlowe
dani said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:14 am
yes we already said that like amillion times!
Andrew said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:15 am
WE havee said that A LOT. but god im taking a break!
DanD said,
December 6, 2006 at 10:50 am
we indeed havee said that a lot.
dani said,
December 6, 2006 at 12:17 pm
ok well i as looking at the susan artical and this guy made really good point he said if we have the right to agree with america thne we have the right to dissagree……. i dont agree with some of what people have been sayhing, but i support them because they wont give up in saying what they belive in and i repect that very much!
Andrew said,
December 6, 2006 at 1:50 pm
That is really a good point Dani–and that makes a very true
dani said,
December 6, 2006 at 2:19 pm
read my dads last paragraph
k?
Aknot said,
November 7, 2006 at 11:31 am
Barb,
More harm then good…. Letting people burn the symbol of thousands or preventing people from doing it?
Sometimes you have to take the lesser of two evils. Ive told you why I agree it SHOULDNT be burned. The only “reason” people have been giving to burn it is cause its “their right”…
You want to show your stance on George Bush? Burn his picture. You dont like “America” boycott it. You wanna piss off people you dont even know and show your inability to grasp the concept of what that flag stands for burn it. You are burning the exact symbol of what gives you the “right” to burn it… Kind of Hypocritical aint it?
ok well he does make a REALLY good point.
in a way hes totally right
Andrew said,
December 6, 2006 at 3:03 pm
but in a way he is totatlly wrong
..::♥Nimo♥::.. said,
December 6, 2006 at 4:48 pm
I think if people hate america enough to burn a flag…then i think they should just move to another country….whats the point of living here anywayz??
and if you hate america because of a law or something.. then I suggest they sign petitions or write to the government so they can do something about it…..whats burning the flag gonna do?!?
peace
Elizabeth said,
December 6, 2006 at 7:20 pm
exactly!
Barb said,
December 6, 2006 at 7:42 pm
Aknot or danis dad,
You say “boycott america” but that seems quite hypocritical…because don’t you see? Boycotting america IS burning the flag!J
Just because it “pisses people off”, does not change what it is.You’re not burning the idea, you’re burning cloth.
Our country was founded by “pissing people off”. Just think of the Boston tea party! I mean, our country was started by “we the people” giving our opinions….right from the start.
So I wouln’t consider it unconstitutional to do so!
york8 said,
December 7, 2006 at 9:25 am
Good point Barb
And to change a law you have to have have a petition with 2 million names on it-one fifth of A
America
Andrew
dani said,
December 7, 2006 at 9:45 am
ahhhhhhhhh!!
we are teenagers we cant move out of the country!!
york8 said,
December 7, 2006 at 11:42 am
Well technicaly…we can. However I can tell you if the draft is reinstated I’ll be in Cape Town South Africa! DUAL-CITIZENSHIP!
~Marlowe
dani said,
December 7, 2006 at 11:52 am
ok marlowe go get a fricken plane ticket and go move to like, africa see how easy it is
york8 said,
December 7, 2006 at 11:53 am
Umm for the record I have African citizenship, so whatever. I can just leave when I want. Head to Cape Town, settle down im my dad’s home town, away from Americ, and drafts and bombs. Sounds close to heavan.
~Marlowe
york8 said,
December 7, 2006 at 12:03 pm
Really Marlowe? That’s really cool. We can’t be drafted til we are 18 so if the war is still going on then then I’ll move to Canada because they give gifts when we cross the boarder.
Andrew
dani said,
December 7, 2006 at 12:52 pm
ok well marlowe i really could care less if you had a citezenship for mars
im just saying that if you move to a different country then you could live a harder life and have less rights
gah
Marlowe said,
December 7, 2006 at 1:38 pm
I was talking inreference to the topic, Dani, and South Africa has pretty much the exact same consituiton and bill of rights as the US just better with more freedom.
..::♥Nimo♥::.. said,
December 7, 2006 at 1:44 pm
if you hate america because of a law or something.. then I suggest they sign petitions or write to the government so they can do something about it…..whats burning the flag gonna do?!? yeah putting all your anger on a piece of cloth will really change what you’re mad at better…….lol
york8 said,
December 7, 2006 at 1:57 pm
No one hates the flag. Its a protest, a sign that someone is unsatisfied with the government.
~Marlowe
..::♥Nimo♥::.. said,
December 7, 2006 at 2:01 pm
Yeah but if you are unsatisfied with the governament you should do something about it that will actually change something….burning the flag doesn’t do anything. What does the government have to do with the flag? the flag represents “AMERICA”… not just the government.
york8 said,
December 7, 2006 at 2:03 pm
Nimo, bruning the flag is a public protest which incites people to make a difference. Its faster and more immediate then a petition.It accomplishs the same thing.
~Marlowe
Elizabeth said,
December 7, 2006 at 3:19 pm
A petition is way more effective. If you and your buddies go out and burn the flag The Congress would not go “oh look 4 kids from Portland, ME just burnt the flag lets change the law” if you do a petition then it will show intelligence and that you actually care about the country.
john said,
December 7, 2006 at 4:29 pm
Marlowe if you can move you don’t you.
Barb said,
December 7, 2006 at 7:52 pm
wow guys we need a new topic. We’re stuck on the “does it help” topic and we’re at a stalemate.
Elizabeth, the people aren’t neccisarraly trying to change a law. If you dont agree w/the flag burners, then voice you’re opinion to them. Why change one of our first law just so people dont get ticked off…for a while?
..::♥Nimo♥::.. said,
December 7, 2006 at 7:59 pm
yeah i agree with elizabeth… if you want the government to do something about the law you are aginst then PETITION!! if you just burnt the flag your case will not be taken seriously… but if you do it more formerly it would be taken more seriously. for example if the mayor or president is patriotic and loves america….you burning the flag will just get him angry and trust me he will most likely not try his best to change that law….
all im saying is show respect to the government and the government will respect you back!!!!
peace ♥ ~^-♥-^~
york8 said,
December 7, 2006 at 9:02 pm
Well trust me im starting a petition now
It’s entilted “Help stop John and others from letting us be patriotic!”
Anyone want to sign?
Andrew
dani said,
December 8, 2006 at 10:49 am
ha!
nimo proved my point
its just a piece of cloth!!
ha! and HA!
John said,
December 8, 2006 at 11:22 am
Andrew the only people who will sign is you and Marlowe
york8 said,
December 8, 2006 at 11:38 am
Yeah. But Nimo, you just said basicly that it doesnt matter if the flag is burned, but you have been saying thats its an improtant symbol, care to elaborate?
~Marlowe
Andrew said,
December 8, 2006 at 11:44 am
Really Nimo-you are being hypicritical
Elizabeth said,
December 8, 2006 at 12:11 pm
Well trust me im starting a petition now
It’s entilted “Help stop John and others from letting us be patriotic!”
Anyone want to sign?
Andrew
me: so you want a petition to stop John from letting you be patriotic…wouldn’t that be a dictatorship?
dani said,
December 8, 2006 at 12:16 pm
what the heck?
marlowe you are being a huge jerk by doing that
hel-lo?
freeeedom blog?
hes not stoping you either
unless you let him
so if he does its your fault
Andrew said,
December 8, 2006 at 12:40 pm
No it wouldn’t be a dictatorship Elizabeth.
and good point dani (even though it is just saying i’m wrong)
Elizabeth said,
December 8, 2006 at 12:42 pm
can you tell me what your petition means it doesn’t make sense
Emma said,
December 8, 2006 at 12:50 pm
Look.
John and Marlowe may have different opinions from you guys, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a right to say what they want even if you disagree with them. It’s not only those two, either.
I do have to say that most of the comments from Marlowe are simply dissing people instead of expressing difference in opinion. If there was anything we should make, it shouldn’t be a petition, but just an idea of respect for each other.
Crazy, I know.
Caitlin said,
December 8, 2006 at 12:51 pm
Actually, it wouldn’t be a dictatorship to pass a law so that it is illegal to infringe on someone’s right to free speech, symbolic included. (Funny, I was under the impression that we already had a law that said just that. I believe it was called the Bill of Rights, but, I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong.)
Barb said,
December 8, 2006 at 12:52 pm
yeah, nicely put.
I mean, there may be arguing on the blog, but its way better than everybody agreeing. People say that its boring, so that kind of discussion si saving it.
Andrew said,
December 8, 2006 at 12:56 pm
very true barb
Mia said,
December 11, 2006 at 8:37 pm
Can we get back to the flag burning
Andrew said,
December 13, 2006 at 9:23 am
Yeah-we are branching off into things about flag burning
dani said,
December 13, 2006 at 9:36 am
i think that people in america arent using their rights, they just say they have them and thats it…we need to start using them
nick said,
December 13, 2006 at 9:51 am
wiat a minute marlowe how is john and other people stoping you from being patriotic and dani up a little ways you said the flag is a peace of cloth well you are right but answer me this wut does it represent…well i will tell you it represents america the people who live in america every thing that has to do with america so it may be a peace of cloth but next time you call the flag just a peace of cloth and that goes for every one just look at this comment and see what the flag really not just a peace of sloth
nick said,
December 13, 2006 at 9:54 am
i meant cloth my bad
Barb said,
December 13, 2006 at 9:54 am
Nick,
Sloth? haha
Ok. Well, to YOU it represents america. This has been said. But….you cant change how other people think of it. If they want to burn it, dang it, they can! It just is ticking you off it seems, and you are saying that all the other citizens of america cant?
nick said,
December 13, 2006 at 9:57 am
of cource its been said i said it like twice before… i like saying the same things over so people think its new because they forget i keep saying it so i allways have somthing to say so HA
york8 said,
December 13, 2006 at 9:59 am
I ment that John is, by defending the flag, taking away my American rights, and there for I can’t be a true American *national anthem plays in the backround*
~Marlowe
Barb said,
December 13, 2006 at 10:00 am
Its wonderful that you LIKE talking….but ok, i doubt people are forgetting YOUR opinion on flag burning. I just dont see why every one in the US has to be polite to people who find it offensive.
John said,
December 13, 2006 at 10:05 am
yep thats right Marlowe I’m causeing you not to be partiotic ture yep. Whatever makes you sleep a night.
nick said,
December 13, 2006 at 10:10 am
wait let me get this straight john is defending the flag (and the flag represents us and our rights by the way) is taking away your rights so not defending the flag from being set a flame is taking away your ability to be a true american????? so burning the flag the thing that represents our rights and represents we the people of the United States of America is making it so you can be a true american are not true americans patriotic or have i been living in a happy fairy land that is full of happy bunnys and unicorns and in the i was there the consept of being true to ones counrty has change and any ways i don’t think burning the flag is very patriotic marlowe.
John said,
December 13, 2006 at 10:11 am
Marlowe did I just spam?
nick said,
December 13, 2006 at 10:12 am
opps i weant and in the time i was there
dani said,
December 13, 2006 at 10:14 am
wth marlowe??
how is he taking away your american rights?!?!
i do not see in any way shape or form that hes taking away any of your rights….
york8 said,
December 15, 2006 at 12:12 pm
Prevention of burning a flag is a prevention of the use of American rights. Its not that difficult, andyone could understand. A 3rd grader could understand what I’m trying to say! Its so simple!
~Marlowe
Carolyn and Caitlin said,
December 15, 2006 at 12:21 pm
We get how preventing people from burning flags is an appalling restriction of our rights as U.S. citizens…
John said,
December 17, 2006 at 9:15 am
I’M NOT STOPING YOU BEING PATRIOTIC you just can’t stand it if someone disagrees with you. SO MARLOWE TOUGH.
dani said,
December 18, 2006 at 12:50 pm
i agree with john
darling,
like i said hes not taking your right away unless you let him
he cant say ‘burning the flag is wrong and we shouldnt do it’ and that means he taking away your rights
like the beastie boys ones said:
‘YOU GOTTA FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT…”
Just rememmber that part though…lol
gah
Barb said,
December 18, 2006 at 2:49 pm
haha good song..
That’s true that you have to let that said person take away your rights. I guess it all comes down to how much do we as a country care about our rights?
What would it take for someone to take them away?