Capital Punishment
Capital punishment, or the death penalty, is the execution of a convicted criminal by the State as punishment for crimes known as capital crimes or capital offences. The word “capital” is derived from the Latin “capitalis,” which means “concerning the head”; therefore, to be subjected to capital punishment means to figuratively lose one’s head.
- Wikipedia
Should capital punishment be legal?
Tristan said,
October 16, 2006 at 1:00 pm
I think so, as some people have done such cruel and awful things that they should not be permitted to live.
Ezra said,
October 16, 2006 at 1:01 pm
I agree with Tristan.
york8 said,
October 16, 2006 at 1:06 pm
Tristan, I agree. Capital punishment is a very horrible. But it is also one of the most important things in the United States Government. We need capital punishment to keep America in line!
Andrew
jesse said,
October 16, 2006 at 5:12 pm
Tristan you just totally contradicted yourself. When i read your comment about abortion you said that you were against murder, yet you are strongly pro- death penalty. That is the most messed up thing that I have heard. You are willing to murder a man because he has done bad things, but you are against killing a fetus. Here is a direct quote from you. “Personally, I think that murder is a crime.”
Cya man
Tristan said,
October 17, 2006 at 9:27 am
But the man comitted a crime, while the fetus didn’t, so I’m not contradicting myself.
Matt said,
October 17, 2006 at 10:30 am
I do not agree with capital punishment/death penalty. Some people commit awful crimes with the goal of dying. So in some cases, you would be giving the person what they want. Another point, we all know rotting in a jail cell for decades woud be a truly horrible experience. But in the afterlife, if there is one, we have no idea what awaits us. There could be cake and ice cream for everyone, regardless of what they had done. Taking someone’s life does not only affect the person being killed, but what about the family, the friends? They did not do anything wrong, yet they grieve the loss of someone close to them. The death penalty should not remain legal.
Caitlin said,
October 17, 2006 at 10:36 am
I agree with Matt. Also, capital punishment is gang mentality. The whole thought process is “If they get one of us, then we’ll get them back.”
Remember what Ghandi said:
“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.”
Barb said,
October 17, 2006 at 10:41 am
Guys, we also gotta remember how much it costs to keep a person in jail for life. I’m totally and compelety against the death penalty, but I can see how the other side has their point. It’s definitly not a black and white issue.
york8 said,
October 17, 2006 at 11:08 am
The death penalty is totally inhumane. Its something savages or crazed animals would do. Supposedly, we are the most intelligent and advanced race, so why are we killing our own?
-Marlowe
york8 said,
October 17, 2006 at 12:24 pm
Good point, Matt! However, they could not want to die. We’d be giving them what they want then, too. Also, what if (and I know this is a pretty big “if”
they escape and kill more people? Here’s a qoute from me:
“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but, which would you rather do- put out an eye, or chop off a head?”
Not that it makes any sense……
-Tristan
Dani said,
October 17, 2006 at 2:08 pm
i think that puttingn someone in prison for life is much more , ummm i guess right then killing them
killing someone is a crime
say….
bob is on death row bnecause he killed joe
so judge sam decides that he should get the death sentance
hey man thats death for death
makes NO sense
Emma said,
October 17, 2006 at 2:09 pm
Hmmm. Interesting Ghandi addition there, Tristan.
the death penalty for me is a difficult issue. I’m kind of unsure about it either way. On one side, keeping people in jail costs cash. (Not that America doesn’t already have enough…
If it is a life sentance, then their lives will be rotted away any how. Perhaps they will learn something from it, but what can they use their new knowladge for when their only fate shall be death in the end. Killing a man for a man doesn’t make much sense, either.
With the other point of view, what have they got to lose? Is a life sentance any better than the death penalty? And if so, how?
It confuses me. :/
Dani said,
October 17, 2006 at 2:18 pm
emma is it just me or does it seem that putting someonme in a cell for the rest of their lives is cruelk or unusual punishment
Matt said,
October 18, 2006 at 8:50 am
Some people believe putting someone in a cell for life is an example of cruel or unusual punishment. Others believe the death penalty is cruel or unusual. So……..
What can we do with criminals that is not considered cruel or unusual punishment?
Emma said,
October 18, 2006 at 9:06 am
Perhaps, people who have commited the crime and see that it is wrong wouldn’t want to live with it. I think they should be able to choose whether to stay in prison for life or take the death penalty. I’m not sure if it’s cruel or unusual punishment, I mean we’re not allowed to abuse them or anything so…
meh.
Andrew said,
October 18, 2006 at 9:38 am
Jesse, Tristan is not contradicticting himself. THese are 2 totally differnt things! wo yeah lets try not to cinfuse those things =P
Thao said,
October 18, 2006 at 9:42 am
I agree with Tristain
Dani said,
October 18, 2006 at 9:46 am
OK WELL THIS MAKES ME THINK OF A MOVIE I SAW ONCE CALLED SEVEN AND THE KILLER IN THE MOVIE’S OBEJECT WAS TO KILL THEN TO GET KILLED SO THEN BY KILLING HIM HE WON IN THE END WHICH IS ALL THAT MATTER TO HIM SO THEN ITS KINDA LIKKE GIVING IN TO
Dani said,
October 18, 2006 at 9:47 am
**him. andwhy do we always asume that its a male comminting the crime?
Marlowe said,
October 18, 2006 at 12:00 pm
Because it has been shown that males cause more crime. I doubt that a 5 year old little girl would shove a Glock in my face and tell me to “gimme your money or die!”
york8 said,
October 18, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Well, five year olds can be suprisingly violent…
-Tristan
Caitlin said,
October 18, 2006 at 5:02 pm
It seems to me that everyone thinks that the death penalty is cheaper than a life in prison. This is incorrect. Check out these numbers I got from the website- http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/newsanddev.php?scid=7
The News-Sentinel’s investigation revealed the following facts and figures for California:
$7.4 billion: 2006-07 budget for the California Corrections Department.
$250 million: Average cost of 11 executions in 27 years.
$114 million: Costs of death penalty to taxpayers (annual).
$34,150: Average annual cost of housing an inmate in state prison.
9,000: Average number of pages of court transcripts in capital cases.
645: Inmates on death row.
$200: Cost of lethal injection chemicals.
49: Average age at time of execution.
33: Death Row inmates who died of natural causes.
17.5: Average time spent on Death Row.
13: Inmates executed in California since 1978.
(Lodi News-Sentinel, March 11, 2006).
So, I think we should let the numbers speak for themselves, and ambolish the death penalty.
Danny said,
October 19, 2006 at 10:46 am
People being sent to death penalty for murdering someone should be ilegal because the state kills people to in death penalty.
John said,
October 19, 2006 at 10:46 am
I think the death penelty is okey I mean prisons getting full soo boys on death row watch for the guads.
luke b said,
October 19, 2006 at 10:49 am
That does not make scense Danny, explain.
Danny said,
October 19, 2006 at 10:49 am
What I’m trying to say, Luke, is the state kills people to.
Angela said,
October 19, 2006 at 10:51 am
i think death penelty is wrong because your killing someone that probently killed someone else so if your calling them a murder then your going to be one to for killing them.
>;o
John said,
October 19, 2006 at 11:06 am
most people on death row deserve it
pete says said,
October 19, 2006 at 11:29 am
I agree with John that most people on death row deserve being killed but I think that instead of the state killing people the state should put them in jail and make them work their butts off first to see if they are willing to work for the rest of teir lives in jail with no parole or just end their life now.
york8 said,
October 19, 2006 at 11:32 am
What Pete says says brings up an interesting point.
-Tristan
york8 said,
October 19, 2006 at 11:34 am
Oh, Caitlin. You’ve proved it costs a lot of money to execute prisoners. But, uh, can you find how much it costs to keep them in prison? Otherwise we can’t compare now, can we?
-Tristan
pete said,
October 19, 2006 at 11:44 am
I also think that if you do execute someone, they should do it as quick as possible so the prisoner feels the least amount of pain possible, unless the person they’re executing happens to be a terrorist, then they can what ever they want with him/her.
Dani said,
October 19, 2006 at 11:47 am
but pete its cruel to torture a human being someone that is just like you i mean yeah they really deserve it but still its wrong
Dani said,
October 19, 2006 at 11:50 am
*sigh* a life for a life
Caitlin said,
October 19, 2006 at 12:24 pm
Tristan I did post how much it costs to house an inmate.
$34,150: Average annual cost of housing an inmate in state prison.
Nimo said,
October 19, 2006 at 1:24 pm
I believe that the dealth penalty should be legal because if you killed someone then you should be killed TOO!! “Once a killer always a killer” i totally agree with that quote because obviously if you killed someone and you served some years in jail and then you got out…. then there is a high possibility that you will DO IT AGAIN!!! So i believe that if someone is killiing people then they are really saying “kill me, kill me”
york8 said,
October 19, 2006 at 1:26 pm
…Wow, thats some massiah-complex. So if a prsioner was put to death, would the exectutioner be a killer? So then he’d have to be killed, and his killer would have to be killed, and so on. Pretty soon everyone will be dea! Nice, If you idea was put in to action, it would wipe out humanity
~Marlowe
Franciska said,
October 19, 2006 at 2:15 pm
i agree with Caitlin
Malone said,
October 19, 2006 at 2:21 pm
I think that capital punishment is a very important part of socity and should definately be legal. The person that choses hwo get the death penalty is different; personally I think weather or nat a person gets the death penalty should be up ti the supreme court or a similar judical system.
Casey said,
October 19, 2006 at 2:22 pm
Going back onto what matt said about how its more horrible for someone to rott in jail, yes i agree but do you know how many tax dollars are spent on the “years of rotting”?…i mean i dont have exact numbers but let me just say, its too much. Like citizens want to spend money to punish someone by giving them clothing shelter and food everyday. And what good deeds has this person provided for that communitiy???
I must say i dont have a concrete mind set on for or against the death penalty but that does not mean my opinion should be silenced when people make “dumb” statments.
Willie said,
October 19, 2006 at 2:23 pm
I disagree with nimo I don’t believe in the death penealty. What is the point of killing someone? It doesn’t make the victims family feel any better, and it makes the killers family feel even worse. The victims family is innocent, they’re the ones suffering the most. The killer won’t care when he’s dead. That’s not punishing him. After it’s over hes not going to say “shoot im dead, shouldnt have done that”, hes dead! The real victims become the culprits family, who suffer with innocence.
york8 said,
October 20, 2006 at 10:05 am
Two things-
Caitlin, sorry! I didn’t see that on your post… However, I checked out the website you listed, and all six of the articles on it (which I read) were arguing against the death penalty. Therefore, the information on it may have been biased.
Casey, you made a very good point about how our money is put to keep someone who killed people alive.
-Tristan
John said,
October 21, 2006 at 2:57 pm
I think we should just kill them if we had the evidence i say if they killed like 10 people they they should DIE!!! aND THE EXACUTIONER is not a killer if he kills a bad peron smart one
Caitlin said,
October 21, 2006 at 5:36 pm
True, the information may have been biased, but, I you’d read my post and the article you will see at the bottom of the quote it says-
(Lodi News-Sentinal, March 11, 2006)
The newspaper quoted on these numbers is a moderate newpaper in Lodi, CA, that is not biased. So, I think you’ll have to agree, alas, the numbers listed are, in fact acurate.
John said,
October 22, 2006 at 1:40 pm
caitlin if we kill the people that are murders then then other murders would be afraid to kill people becuase if there cought then bye bye say hi to saitin
Caitlin said,
October 23, 2006 at 8:24 am
Actually, practically every study on the issue of capital punishment have concluded that the use capital punishment has no influence on the crime rate.
york8 said,
October 23, 2006 at 8:41 am
I read that, Caitlin. However, statistics show that 60% of news sources are liberally biased, 30% are conservatively biased, and 10% are in the middle. My point is, many, many news sources are biased. In fact 90% are!
Source: A research project my dad did for the Portland Press Herald.
-Tristan
John said,
October 23, 2006 at 11:08 am
Caitlin sometimes you should not just go by what it says on a piece of paper
Marlowe said,
October 23, 2006 at 12:14 pm
But sometimes that piece of paper is correct.
John said,
October 23, 2006 at 1:57 pm
I’m not saying it’s not I’m saying that just cuase it’s not on the paper dosen’t mean it’s not true
york8 said,
October 23, 2006 at 1:59 pm
Ok, I can agree with that.
~Marlowe
Caitlin said,
October 24, 2006 at 8:41 am
I only go by what it says on a piece of paper when the piece of paper is correct! My comment about crime deterrence was based on facts that are released from the government of the United States of America. Here is the information to back my previous comment up:
-States with the death penalty generally have higher murder rates than states without it. Countries of Western Europe, without the death penalty, have significantly lower murder rates than the U.S.
I am not making things up, people! These are hard, dry facts that you could find in almanacs and government websites. Also, Tristan think about what you just posted. It was a study about how news sources are biased that was done by a NEWSpaper….Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this picture? Out of curiosity, I take it the Press Herald considered itself unbiased? Might this be a result of their bias, because they wish their readers to think of the Press Herald as an unbiased news source?
John said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:07 am
I never said your were making things up.
Kyle said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:37 am
I think that capital punishment should be legal because if you had a choice of getting killed instantly or rotting in a depressing jail cell till I have a slow painful death I personally would choose getting killed right there.
Kyle said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:39 am
I think that capital punishment should be legal because if you had a choice of getting killed instantly or rotting in a depressing jail cell till I have a slow painful death I personally would choose getting killed right there. And even if you do get out of jail after a long time (be it breaking out or somehow getting bail) you will have wasted a lot of your life, your kids will have grown up, your wife/husband and friends will barely remember you.
york8 said,
October 24, 2006 at 9:40 am
Nice, thats a good point.
~Marlowe
John said,
October 24, 2006 at 2:14 pm
I say we just exacute saddam.
Elizabeth said,
October 24, 2006 at 2:19 pm
I agree with John
Emma said,
October 24, 2006 at 2:21 pm
Yes. I think with all things we should be able to choose, not have other people make descisions for us as the government is run today.
Sheldon said,
October 24, 2006 at 8:30 pm
I think that NOBODY should be treated the way that gay people are treated especially when it comes to gay rights.
Sheldon said,
October 24, 2006 at 8:32 pm
SORRY I JUST PUT THAT!!! I AM SOOOOO TIRED YOU CAN JUST TAKE THESE TWO OUT. I PT IT IN THE WRONG SUBJECT!!!
Myles said,
October 25, 2006 at 3:10 pm
wowww… *shakes head*
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 4:33 pm
HEY!
Malinka said,
October 25, 2006 at 9:00 pm
At the begining Barb said that the other side has a point because keeping someone in jail costs alot. Sorry but you’re wrong Barb just by killing someone using Lethal Injection the State has already used so much money that keeping someone in jail for 40 years under the highest security would have saved them some money. Also there is a pretty high percentage of people who have been found not guilty AFTER they were killed. That seems like a problem. If the goverment sentances someone to DEATH they should have their facts straight. And now I’m back to the good old TWO WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT! Just because someone commited a terrible crime doesnt mean that they deserve to die. Jail is definetly a good alterative. People in jail still have an oppotunity to fix their lives and completely change who they are. Many people who commited those crimes had some sort of mental illness which by having treated by doctors can be partially cured.
Sheldon said,
October 25, 2006 at 9:06 pm
I TOTTALY AGREE!!! I really hate when someone is found innocent after the’ve been killed!
york8 said,
October 26, 2006 at 8:45 am
Caitlin, MY DAD did the project on his OWN TIME! Also, he didn’t include the Press Herald in any subject, so his own opinion wouldn’t get in the way.
…By the way, why are they hard, dry facts? What’s the difference between a wet fact and a dry fact? How do you get a fact wet? Are there soft, dry facts and soft, wet facts and hard, wet facts and wet, dry facts and soft, hard facts?
-Tristan
Barb said,
October 26, 2006 at 10:21 am
Hey Malinka, I agree with the two wrongs don’t make a right thing. The reason I posted that was so we could see that what’s being backed up for the pro-cap. punishment isn’t true. I mean, the against capital punishment has a MUCH better case.
And Tris, sorry but that whole wet and dry fact thing is completly ridiculous. You don’t have much of an argument, if you are talking about random things.
MICHAEL said,
October 26, 2006 at 10:27 am
Well Tristan what if they were later found not guilty.
What then.
Caitlin said,
October 26, 2006 at 10:34 am
Tristan, lets get back to the topic at hand. I consider a hard, dry fact a fact that has no shread of opinion in it that is not up for debate. Supporters of the death penalty- what punishment should be given to a gang the murdered 122 people in cold blood? Most likely you thought to yourself ‘that horrible person should die.’ Well, the ‘gang’ that I was talking about is the United States. The 122 people didn’t die. Most were found innocent thanks to college investigations, not the judicial system. Many were found innocent less than 24 hours before when they were supposed to die. Most likely people who have actually gotten the death penalty were innocent, too. The reason they weren’t found innocent is people tend to drop cases when the person is dead, so they can spend their time helping someone who isn’t dead yet.
Here’s where I got the following fact:
-In the past 30 years, 122 inmates were found to be innocent and released from death row.
http://www.aclu.org/capital/index.html
Dani said,
October 26, 2006 at 10:40 am
wow catlin thta like insane!
that really sucks when someone is found guilty after theyve been killed
like matilda dixon, the tooth farie, litterally
she was acussed if killing or kidnapping these 2 kids back like 5457438 years agoa dn then like RIGHT after they hung her they found the kids, they just got lost in the woods.
Andrew said,
October 26, 2006 at 12:29 pm
ok I posted before saying that I was totally pro-capital punishment. Well I’ve come to the conclusion that I (this is hte first time) was wrong. Capital Punishment is inhumane. Capital punishnment doesn’t help lower the crime rate-and it costs more to kill the priioners then to keep them in joil for 40 years to life.
(thanks Catilin)
Tyler K said,
October 26, 2006 at 1:51 pm
What I personally believe is that if a person does a crime, that they/he/she, should pay for it as in jail or something.
york8 said,
October 26, 2006 at 1:55 pm
Yeah, jail..
~Marlowe
york8 said,
October 27, 2006 at 10:39 am
Ah, Caitlin. There are interesting things in this world known as jokes. They help lighten the mood, and provide amusement to those devoid of it. When I tell them, they are meant purely for the entertainment of those I’m telling them to. In this case, you. My point was that my dad did the research, not the Herald.
-Tristan
Graehme said,
October 30, 2006 at 3:10 pm
I personally don’t believe in the death penalty. There are too many mistakes in the judicial system, too many innocent people. Also, I think rotting in a prison until you die is worse than just being killed, I’d rather be killed than get life in prison, in some cases, death is mercy.
Andrew said,
October 30, 2006 at 3:56 pm
Yeah Graehme good point
Caitlin said,
October 31, 2006 at 2:08 pm
Why do people feel capital punishment is the answer. Money-wise capital punishment doesn’t make sense, and it has no affect on the crime rate so….why do people feel murdering murderers is the answer?
Let me know your reasoning if you’re pro-capital punishment
Barb said,
October 31, 2006 at 2:48 pm
I’m not pro cap. punishment but I bet it’s a revenge thing. Perhaps not the most logical argument…but if a loved one of yours was shot or something, you would be irrational or want that person to die.
patrick said,
October 31, 2006 at 2:49 pm
I think that captial punishment is not a bad thing there are some people that have done things that doesnt give the right to live and what makes you think that they wont kill in jai also it cost alot to houde an inmate
Caitlin said,
October 31, 2006 at 2:51 pm
Patrick, I repeat, it costs more to kill someone(legally, at least) than it does to toss them in jail.
Barb said,
October 31, 2006 at 2:51 pm
I think that caitlin already made a point about how killing someone with the chair is more expensive…
john said,
October 31, 2006 at 3:02 pm
I say we just kill everyone on death row because they all derserv it.
york8 said,
October 31, 2006 at 3:12 pm
…..Wow…what if they were falsly accuses or really did it in self defense? What if they are good people who made a mistake?
~Marlowe
john said,
October 31, 2006 at 3:14 pm
Well than thats to bad for them.
Caitlin said,
October 31, 2006 at 3:23 pm
John, really, be reasonable. Your arguments don’t make any sense. You are saying it’s ok to murder innocent people if they’re in the wrong place at the wrong time. Then, since the people are innocent, should the executioner die?
Elizabeth said,
October 31, 2006 at 4:49 pm
Marlowe, how can you be on death row and be a good person? If you are on death row then you did something really really bad not like rob a bank or anything like that.
york8 said,
November 1, 2006 at 9:34 am
False accusement, or they needed money to support a family and made the worng dicsion, or something like that.
~Marlowe
john said,
November 1, 2006 at 9:40 am
Death row should be cleaned out. Most likely the people on death row aren’t inoccent they most likely did it. Like the guy who did the oklahoma city bombing. He was killed and I’m happy he was.
Barb said,
November 1, 2006 at 3:28 pm
John and Elizabeth, you guys are saying the SAME things OVER and OVER again. At the risk of doing the same, what if you were falsely accused and put on death row for something so unspeakably horrible and bad, and you died… and later it was found out you didn’t do it? Would you still be all for capital punishment?
Elizabeth said,
November 1, 2006 at 5:51 pm
I would be dead so it really would not matter.
Andrew said,
November 2, 2006 at 9:27 am
john said,
October 31, 2006 at 3:02 pm
I say we just kill everyone on death row because they all derserv it.
John–you are so naive, not everbody deserves death row–say your mom was at a bank shooting and 5 people died and she was accused and guilty-how would you feel? Also i read this book this summer called Moster. Some thing buy gum and owner was shoot wrong place wrong time.
John said,
November 2, 2006 at 11:02 am
That comment needs to be rephrased
Barb said,
November 2, 2006 at 11:03 am
Elizabeth, you’re telling me you wouldn’t mind dying if you didn’t deserve it? C’mon, think of the people it would affect. Your parents, your friends….would you be willing to put them through pain because of a poor judicial system?
John said,
November 2, 2006 at 11:04 am
YOU keep same thing!
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 10:53 am
John, fine, if you want innocent people to die, that’s your problem. However, the majority would prefer the government didn’t kill people who are innocent that are accused of doing a crime they didn’t do.
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 10:59 am
I hope the goverment keeps killing murders show them to mercy!!
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:01 am
So should the person that murders the murderer be killed as well?
Elizabeth said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:03 am
I have only commented on Capital Punishment two times {three if you count when i answered barbs comment} and once I said that I agreed with someone and once I told someone that their comment did not make sense so how the heck am I saying the same thing over and over again?!?!
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:04 am
NO because the murderer new what he was doing killing someone for no reason? I hope we kill every one on Death row this week.
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:07 am
Well, if the the executioner murders someone who turns out to be innocent, then is he a murderer?
DanD said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:08 am
you really think that by killing the killer than the victim will rise from the grave and live a normal life? you really think that by killing a murderer it makes everything balanced and right? i really don’t see why killing people can be justified. i think that the death penalty is just for satisfaction for the relatives of the victims. i think that the death penalty is simply barbaric and silly. if we kill an innocent like caitlin said, doesnt that make us murderers?
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:09 am
Well then thats to bad for him/her.
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:10 am
I hope all the relitives of murder victems fell justified. I hope all murderers DIE my bad I mean KILLED!
Elizabeth said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:11 am
Dan how would you feel if someone killed your mom dad and brother?
DanD said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:11 am
You got a problem with your head john
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:12 am
What’s too bad for him/her? Also, John answer my question. By ignoring it you are only acknowledging your faulty logic.
DanD said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:12 am
i would want them to suffer, not be killed
Barb said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:13 am
ok, so i stand corrected Elizabeth, on you guys repeating things. I sort of meant in general of the whole website blog, but I wrote it in a confusing way. But, could you answer the last question i wrote about family and friends? I think it’s good to remember how people related to the person on death row would feel.
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:14 am
If someone killed a member of my family I would most likely go insane with grief, in my insanity I would seek vengence on the one who killed my loved one. However, I wouldn’t want the govenment to kill the murderer, because that’s only spreading the pain, and it doesn’t help make my family member come alive again.
york8 said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:14 am
John and Elizibeth are basicly spouting something the Nazis did. They killed everyone, with out looking if they are bad aor good. Imaginae, John or Elizibeth, if you killed someone in self defense, would you want be be killed, for protecting youself? Think about it.
~Marlowe
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:17 am
Good point Marlowe, but I don’t think John or Elizabeth side with Nazi’s in any way. Prehaps you could convey your point in some other way?
Willie said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:18 am
John thesse people are innocent just because someone else did something doesn’t mean they diserve to suffer, if your mom commited murder would u like her to die and not be able to see her? you are suffering a loss you didn’t do anything for. Just because one family has to suffer doesnt mean the other deserves it too.
Elizabeth said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:18 am
If you kill someone in self defense then there would be evidence!
Barb said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:19 am
yeah the nazi comment is a little extreme and a lot offensive. I don’t think that’s what the pro- death row people mean.
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:19 am
Well my mom hasen’t Double murderers.
york8 said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:20 am
Alright. You guys ar being facists. Think KKK this time, same situation. You hate a group of people and want them to die.
~Marlowe
patrick said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:37 am
If they get the needle they don’t feel any pain it’s just a matter of they die anyway
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:39 am
well i think that people aree getting out of hand im very sorry that john has his own opion even if it may seem extremem for your liking
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:40 am
I think the best punishment is being Electryfyed
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:42 am
John, you’re not answering anyone’s question, I think this because you can’t because you’re WRONG. Please prove you aren’t wrong by answering our questions.
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:44 am
I dont need to anserws quetions! Thats my opion
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:44 am
I think your wrong.
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:45 am
cat, he isnt wrong beause he g=has his own opion, he s wrong because nobody is taking the time to look at it his way!!!
gah.
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:46 am
Thank you Dani.
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:46 am
So, you proved my theory. You are unable to answer my questions because you don’t have a valid answer. Therefore you are wrong and you’re unable to face this fact.
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:48 am
ok well even thought i dont agree completely with john i understand wheres hes coming from
so you guys should stop[ being so judgemental and try to keep a open mind and listen
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:48 am
NO becuase your question don’t prove I don’t need to reenforce my opinion besiades what your questions
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:50 am
gah gah gah gah!!
i say it all i want god you people are so childish!
patrick is sexy
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:57 am
ok well i think that john is not a nazi.
Nazi |ˈnätsē| noun ( pl. Nazis ) historical a member of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. • a member of an organization with similar ideology. • derogatory a person who holds and acts brutally in accordance with extreme racist or authoritarian views. The Nazi Party was formed in Munich after World War I. It advocated right-wing authoritarian nationalist government and developed a racist ideology based on anti-Semitism and a belief in the superiority of “Aryan” Germans. Its charismatic leader, Adolf Hitler, who was elected Chancellor in 1933, established a totalitarian dictatorship, rearmed Germany in support of expansionist foreign policies in central Europe, and thus precipitated World War II. The Nazi Party collapsed at the end of the war and was outlawed in Germany. adjective of or concerning the Nazis or Nazism.
got it from the dictonary,
nazi?
i think not
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 11:58 am
KKK abbreviation Ku Klux Klan. Ku Klux Klan |ˈkoō ˌkləks ˈklan| (abbr.: KKK) an extremist right-wing secret society in the U.S. The Ku Klux Klan was originally founded in the southern states after the Civil War to oppose social change and black emancipation by violence and terrorism. Although disbanded twice, it reemerged in the 1950s and 1960s and continues at a local level. Members disguise themselves in white robes and hoods and often use a burning cross as a symbol of their organization
kkk?
i think not
has john ever done anything to show thta hes either one??
NO!!
gah
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:00 pm
Marlowe never said they were Nazis…..
“John and Elizibeth are basicly spouting something the Nazis did.”
Something similar to what the KKK would try an do. Are they “Nazis”? Nope.
There are people in Africa that feel the same way…. Nazis? nope.
Come on Dani I expect more from you…
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:01 pm
So, have you proved my theory. You are unable to answer my questions because you don’t have a valid answer. Therefore you are wrong and you’re unable to face this fact.
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:02 pm
*you Have*
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:08 pm
Caitlin,
Lets say you are robbed. The person that stole from you is caught and put in jail. Do you think they are put in jail to keep you from being robbed by them again?
Or do you think it is a way for a society to try and protect others?
Now if someone (god forbid) murders a family member of yours do you think (if they are put to death) they are put to death for “your sake”?
Or that they have no more “use” in society becasue they are a threat to others and instead of spending thousands of dollars to keep them “alive”
they are put to death.
Caitlin said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:12 pm
I repeat it is WAY cheaper to keep people in jail than it is to give them the death penalty.
READ MY POSTS, PEOPLE!!!
Elizabeth said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:15 pm
Barbara, if i was a criminal then of course i would feel differently about capital punishment.
york8 said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:15 pm
Hey a little off topic but, What do people think about pedophiles? Should they get life in jail, or just relocated?
~MArlowe
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:17 pm
KKK abbreviation Ku Klux Klan. Ku Klux Klan |ˈkoō ˌkləks ˈklan| (abbr.: KKK) an extremist right-wing secret society in the U.S. The Ku Klux Klan was originally founded in the southern states after the Civil War to oppose social change and black emancipation by violence and terrorism. Although disbanded twice, it reemerged in the 1950s and 1960s and continues at a local level. Members disguise themselves in white robes and hoods and often use a burning cross as a symbol of their organization
kkk?
i think not
has john ever done anything to show that hes either one??
NO!!
gah
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:18 pm
Could you please provide a link to your data Caitlin. I will give you an example of mine.
“But state officials estimate that an average prisoner costs California about $35,000 a year and that elderly inmates, who require more care, cost an average of $70,000.”
Taken from:
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060129/NEWS01/601290307/1001/ARCHIVE
So in 10 years an “average” aged prisoner will have cost $350,000. Now lets say he was put to death. Now dont get me wrong im talking a Jeffrery Dahlmer type person. There is no DOUBT in my mind that he has killed and WOULD kill again. How much would it cost to put him to death once a sentence was passed?
york8 said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:20 pm
Well they have to give them a good last meal, get them groomed, have the family say good bye, and find and hire an executioner.
~MArlowe
Barb said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:22 pm
Hey guys, in class and on the blog, we need to chill out. Marlowe can say what he wants as can john but we need to stop acting like little kids. We should be able to make similarities–how ever untrue and harsh they are—-and have people actually say what they think against it. I think that John is pretty smart for holding fast to his belief and not apologizing for thinking differently. The purpose of this blog IS NOT to have a bunch of liberals attack people more right-winged.
york8 said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:23 pm
I agree. Sorry for my over-liberalism.~Marlowe
Barb said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:24 pm
Ok so here’s an answer to a question: I think pedophiles should totally go to jail, but should also get some seirous help for there mental problem, or abuse that they might’ve had in the past. That way, there might be hope for that person to leave jail and become normal again.
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:26 pm
Look at Marlowe saying sorry after those insults Marlowe go home and lick your wounds!
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:27 pm
I thnk pedophiles should die on the spot inn a gilatine.
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:28 pm
yes but what if they cant help with what they feel?
i think that pedophilles are disgusting worms and should be locked up for the rest of their lifes!
but i also think that locking somebody up for the rest of thier lifes is horrible soo….
just ignore me, unless you understand me
gah
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:28 pm
Sad thing about that Barb is there is no Science yet that can tell if someone is “cured”…
There have been those released that were “cured” yet apprently were not.
Can it happen?? Heck if I know. I will tell you this for the safety of my daughter (although she appears to be able to take care of herself now) my son and anyone else that has children, Id rather not take that chance.
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:29 pm
I think pedophiles should be blown of the face of the earth.
Barb said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:30 pm
ahh john……I see where you come from, but it seems to me that history would repeat itself if we did that. We’d go back to the middle ages……
Barb said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:31 pm
death doesn’t solve that much, things will still happen…
Malone said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:31 pm
marlow was implying that john and elizabeth have the same oppinions as nzis and I dont aggre with him they dont have even remotly the same idea as nazis they have a republican oppinion.Just because they think people should die by the death penalty doesnt mean they are trying to wipe out a race, I dont think that they like giving people i dont think they get a kick out of putting people to death malrow I think that you should be more carefull of what you say because what goes around comes around.
Elizabeth said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:31 pm
If you let them back on the street it could happen again and again . As nice as it would be to believe that all the mental help would work. It will not.
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:32 pm
“death doesn’t solve that much, things will still happen…”
But not as often….
Malone said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:32 pm
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:48 pm
nice luke…ummm well i think that pedophilles are people too, but i have decided,
LOCK THEM ALL UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY!
Barb said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:52 pm
Yeah, i think i’m too optimistic about it. Mental help probably won’t work so after the counselors have tried, i agree, dani.
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:54 pm
ok well barb wait what?
i dont get it…
well it could be mental, but i dont think its all mental
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:54 pm
“LOCK THEM ALL UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY!”
“Mental help probably won’t work so after the counselors have tried, i agree, dani.”
Now with a proper and effective monitoring system could they be released into the public?
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:55 pm
huh?
Barb said,
November 3, 2006 at 12:59 pm
? oh i get it! I think that that might work, but has a very effective way been invented?
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:01 pm
gah…..
Meaning lets say they can be monitored. Knowing where they are at all times. Knowing that wherever they are there are no children….
Take away all the cigarettes in a society and the ability to get them and you have a society of non-smokers.
Im gauging people. Im not as familiar with you as you appear with each other. (you as a collective not you you..) So while some of my questions and statements appear “off the wall” they do have a purpose…
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:02 pm
I mean after all Dani YOU wanted me to post here…..
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:05 pm
No Barb I dont think so, and as a Father I wouldnt trust it… Now ask a non parent and you may get another answer….
york8 said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:09 pm
I vote that all pedophiles should get life in jail. Someone who corrupts the purity and sanctity of a child is a monster. Plus they permenantly mentally scar the child, leaving them socially afraid and very distrusting.
~Marlowe
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:10 pm
i vote second
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:10 pm
I say we kill them.
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:12 pm
and Marlowe I wanna now why you think my comments are like a nazi’s and KKK.
york8 said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:23 pm
Because you want to emilinate a group of people without knowing if they are good or bad, you just want them to die.
~MArlwoe
patrick said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:24 pm
caitlin i really dont think that its your place to tell some one that there opinion is wrong
“John, you’re not answering anyone’s question, I think this because you can’t because you’re WRONG. Please prove you aren’t wrong by answering our questions.”
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:25 pm
Crimanals are good??
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:26 pm
marlowe it doesnt make him a nazi or member of the kkk
kkk is agiant blacks
nazis are agianst jews
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:27 pm
so Marlowe takes one to now one.
Aknot said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:29 pm
Dani….. The Klan is against more then “blacks”…
“Most of today’s Klans have subtly adopted beliefs from both the militia movement and Identity Christianity. They fear the “New World Order,” believe Jews and liberals are attempting to outlaw their religious practices, and consider gays and other “deviants” to be forcing their lifestyles into the mainstream.”
Just for an example.
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 1:46 pm
thank you for clearing that up
york8 said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:10 pm
marlowe it doesnt make him a nazi or member of the kkk
kkk is agiant blacks
nazis are agianst jews
Dani you dont listen. I ment that they hated a group, not Jew. And I never said they were members. Just try to listen.
~Marlowe
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Marlowe you called me it and you now it. What gruop do I hate?
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:16 pm
kahem we arent listening we are reading and maybe try clearing it up?
Elizabeth said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:17 pm
So since we think that capital punishment should be legal we think like the KKK
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:19 pm
well thats what marlowe thinks and marlowe is aallllwaaays right so yeah
we do
John said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:19 pm
John and Elizibeth are basicly spouting something the Nazis did. They killed everyone, with out looking if they are bad aor good. Imaginae, John or Elizibeth, if you killed someone in self defense, would you want be be killed, for protecting youself? Think about it.
So basiclly your calling me a Nazi “Spouting something the Nazis did” Eat that
nick said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:20 pm
what do the nazis and the kkk have to do with capital punishment
nick said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:20 pm
what do the nazis and the kkk have to do with the nazis
nick said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:21 pm
oops i mean capital punishment
dani said,
November 3, 2006 at 3:21 pm
ok nick read marlowe stuff
Douglas said,
November 4, 2006 at 3:25 pm
I think Elizabeth and John’s points are really thought out. You’d only get on the death row if you did something to get you there. If you were wrongfully accused then it obviously isn’t good, but we have enough technology today to prove them innocent. I’m not saying our systems are perfect, but at least we’d figure out if some innocents were truly innocent.
Will said,
November 5, 2006 at 9:36 pm
douglas,
even if you did something wrong you wont be suffering if you die. Your innocent family will. Your point doesn’t have to do with the topic. Your saying that innocent people are hardly ever convicted, but the question is should guilty people pay the price of death. Well the truth is people, the person who is executed doesn’t pay that price. Their innocent family does. They obviously dont care once they’re dead, but their INNOCENT family will live with that depression for the rest of their lives. It also certainly doesn’t make the victims family feel better. It’s a lose lose situation, so why don’t we just end it?
Caitlin said,
November 6, 2006 at 9:25 am
Okay, I posted this before, but for “Aknot’s” sake I’ll post it again:
The News-Sentinel’s investigation revealed the following facts and figures for California:
$7.4 billion: 2006-07 budget for the California Corrections Department.
$250 million: Average cost of 11 executions in 27 years.
$114 million: Costs of death penalty to taxpayers (annual).
$34,150: Average annual cost of housing an inmate in state prison.
9,000: Average number of pages of court transcripts in capital cases.
645: Inmates on death row.
$200: Cost of lethal injection chemicals.
49: Average age at time of execution.
33: Death Row inmates who died of natural causes.
17.5: Average time spent on Death Row.
13: Inmates executed in California since 1978.
(Lodi News-Sentinel, March 11, 2006).
Douglas said,
November 6, 2006 at 10:48 am
I was talking about innocents people somehow getting on the Death Penalty due to false accusations because people are so concerned aboput it. I wasn’t off topic.
Elizabeth said,
November 6, 2006 at 11:21 am
How do you guys feel about Saddam getting the death penalty?
Barb said,
November 6, 2006 at 12:04 pm
Here’s a new topic for dicussion: Suddam Hussesin has just been sentenced to death. Does that change the non death row people’s opinions???
dani said,
November 6, 2006 at 12:27 pm
?
well i think that killing him will do NOTHING but make people happy
york8 said,
November 6, 2006 at 1:52 pm
Yeesh, thats a hard one.
One one hand I’m totally against the death penalty. On the other hand I think Saddam is terrible…hmmm
~Marlowe
Kyle said,
November 6, 2006 at 2:03 pm
You don’t have to give him the death penalty, you could just let him rot in jail till he dies. It would save electricty.
york8 said,
November 6, 2006 at 2:06 pm
………….True, or we could ressurect the concept of ‘exile’. Lets drop him on an abandoned, deserted, foodless island and see what happens.
~Marlowe
Kyle said,
November 6, 2006 at 2:11 pm
That would be fun too.
Elizabeth said,
November 6, 2006 at 2:54 pm
how would it save electricity? he is getting hung…
dani said,
November 6, 2006 at 3:03 pm
but i like the island thing…no we should put him in a biiosphere
mwahahahahahahaha!!
yay!
gah!
dani said,
November 6, 2006 at 3:04 pm
no the death penalty they still ahng people?
i thought it was the chair….
Caitlin said,
November 6, 2006 at 3:12 pm
I am against Saddam Hussein getting the death penalty. Don’t get me wrong here; I think Saddam is an aweful person who has commited despicable crimes against humanity. Killing him, though, would increase the sectarian violence in Iraq. As a result numerous Iraqis and US soldiers would get killed. Also, we kill Saddam because of the crimes he commited, and I think we shouldn’t sink to his level. Letting him hang to death, as is planned, would be an embarrasment to all developed nations.
Elizabeth said,
November 6, 2006 at 3:15 pm
well he is in Iraq and they still have it there
its in the US where they don’t have hanging
Barb said,
November 6, 2006 at 3:16 pm
Well…..hmmmm. Suddam Hussein is a HORRIBLE, terrible, man, right? But….ok this IS contradictory, i’m the first to admit, but I actually think the US has handeled his court well, the fact that he had a fair trial, so I think I agree with what they do. I mean, I don’t think that Mr. Pres underthought this…..
dani said,
November 6, 2006 at 3:16 pm
oh well ok then
…..
but i still like the biosphere thing better
Elizabeth said,
November 6, 2006 at 3:20 pm